Browning BSS 20ga or................?

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Good evening gents. Cabin fever has set in and I am thinking of a new upland gun for this fall. I am no expert on O/U or SxS's so I come here looking for advice. I have a good friend that has a beautiful older Browning BSS 20ga that I have shot and really like. Fits great, shoulders perfect and has a certain amount of class to it that I really like. So, there are not a lot of these bouncing around and some of them seem to carry a pretty price tag so is there any other SxS that would compare to the BSS that the fit is similar and has the same amount of class?

And just for fun here is a nice pic of said shotgun with my Baikal( I know, not even close to the same class)

 
Sxs doubles in 20 gauge always seem to carry a premium price. I don't shoot doubles well so I got rid of mine except for my 12 gauge Parker which has sentimental value to me. One of the best deals would be an Ithaca (made by SKB ) 100 or 200 depending if you want ejectors or not, either way prices for these guns in 20 gauge are usually north of $1k.
 
The BSS despite being a 20 will still be a bit overweight. Nevertheless, if the shotgun has appropriate choke constrictions for wingshooting, asking price is a great deal for a non-SST and you feel it is suitable for your needs then you probably won't quickly find a better build quality in other contemporary makes.
 
Interesting, I have never shot an English stock on any shotgun before. I always kinda thought they would not handle as well. My only reason for thinking that is I prefer a pistol grip lever fun over a straight grip.
 
Fits great, shoulders perfect and has a certain amount of class to it that I really like. ... not a lot of these bouncing around...

The BSS despite being a 20 will still be a bit overweight... and you feel it is suitable for your needs then you probably won't quickly find a better build quality in other contemporary makes.

You said it, the shotgun fits you & also appeals to you...

That being said, I completely agree with Ahsan in that they are a bit heavy, but they are well made!

My take on it, buy it! Enjoy it!

Cheers
Jay
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your buddies BSS is not for sale... it seems some think that you are looking to purchase your friends gun, but you would be shopping for a similar BSS, or alternate, yet to be found... correct?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your buddies BSS is not for sale... it seems some think that you are looking to purchase your friends gun, but you would be shopping for a similar BSS, or alternate, yet to be found... correct?

Yes, said shotgun has yet to be found. My hunting buddies gun was passed down to him by his grandfather and he will probably take that to his grave. I just know that it fits me and I like the way it handles, I don't find the weight to bad either.
 
Interesting, I have never shot an English stock on any shotgun before. I always kinda thought they would not handle as well. My only reason for thinking that is I prefer a pistol grip lever fun over a straight grip.

The straight stock is more an acquired taste than anything else, so to speak. Aesthetically pleasing specifically on a SxS game gun only when coupled with a splinter fore end. Any type of beavertail forend combination tend to ruin the effect altogether. :) In terms of handling/performance, not a great deal of difference between a straight grip and PoW/semi pistol grip.

I just know that it fits me and I like the way it handles, I don't find the weight to bad either.

From a perspective of balance/handling, the BSS has weight going against that when considered for the role of a dedicated upland bird gun. If you have an opportunity, for example, pick up a 20ga SKB 100 and the difference will be quite evident.

The BSS sidelock will be a different matter though.
 
Does the SKB come with ejectors and single trigger?

The SKB 100 has extractors and quality SST. The 200E and 280 will have ejectors but both are generally equipped with ugly full beavertail forends.

The somewhat "weak link in the chain" as far as an SKB shotgun may be concerned is the scalloped stock head that may be prone to cracks. One would just need to pay attention to the wood condition. Definitely not a showstopper from a view point of purchase decision.
 
I have been fortunate enough to have owned both the BSS 20 and the Ithaca SKB 200E and shot both quite a bit, likely in the vicinity of 10,000 rounds or so each.
The Browning was manufactured by BC Miroku in Japan. The Ithaca by SKB (Sakabara) also in Japan. The SKB was first introduced by Ithaca in 12 ga. only in 1972,
and in 20 ga. a year later. The Browning was introduced in both 12 & 20 in 1973, the same year that the Citori O/U's were released. I picked up the Browning 20 in 1974.
The retail price (CDN) at the time was $ 237.50 ! The Ithaca came along a year later, I believe at around $ 275.00.

No real complaints with either, no malfunctions, parts breakage, stock cracks, whatever over the 5 or 6 years I owned both. Both good, strong & functional.
As a testament to Browning, many were bought by a U.S. gunsmith and converted to larger bore double rifles !

Of the two, I prefered the SKB ... although fit was good on both, the Ithaca was a little lighter and handled better. The Browning always felt a little "clubby".

The first model BSS 20's ( silver NSST ) seem to go for as a little as $ 800 to as much as $ 2000 ... with the average being somewhere between $ 1200 - $ 1500. The second models
(gold SST) go for $ 100 - $ 200 more. The 12's are typically a couple of hundred less ... are quite heavy and handled to me, too slowly to make a good grouse/woodcock gun.
The Ithaca 100's can be found for approximately the same price as the first model Browning's, the 200's for about the same as the SST BSS's and the 280 for a couple hundred more.

Another decent SxS in 20 ga. IMHO, is the Smith & Wesson "Gold Elite". Now discontinued, they are inn the $1500 range, and are a pretty fair upland gun. Many also find the CZ's to be of their liking, with a current new retail price in the $ 1,000 range.

I don't have strong feelings either way about pistol grip, PoW or straight - English style stocks, single or double triggers, splinter or beavertail forends (as long as they aren't too oversized and clunky) Likewise, extractors or ejectors don't matter .... just how often do you need (or are effective on) a third or fourth follow up shot ??? What I can't stand is an automatic safety. Any double I've ever owned that came that way - was quickly converted to a non-automatic safety.

Which ever way you go, gun fit and balance are critical. Good luck with your search :)
 
It is not in style these days with certain types, but I prefer a semi-beavertail forend, as it is much more comfortable for my big hands... "clubby" is a term that might be applied to the pistol grip BSS guns but I don't feel it applies to the straight English stocked BSS's. I have owned several off the pistol grip BSS guns and now have a straight English... the difference in feel and handling is significant. These comments relate to the 20 gauge models... the 12 gauge BSS is a pretty blocky gun, and "clubby" might be a fair assessment.

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Another decent SxS in 20 ga. IMHO, is the Smith & Wesson "Gold Elite". Now discontinued, they are inn the $1500 range, and are a pretty fair upland gun.

The guys in the US scooped those up for around $900 when S&W discontinued the model - if memory serves, the CAD was almost at par at the time but unfortunately none showed up here. The ones with DTs, straight grip/splinter were real bargains at the sale price.
 
I have read that some guys seem to like the CZ's and Yildiz shotguns (Turkish I believe?) but can you really compare one of those to a nice old Browning in terms of finish and quality?

hoytcanon I think I would have to handle an English stock before I laid some money down on one. A straight stock is just so foreign to me in a shotgun, might just have to cruise around to e few LGS to see if there is anything in the used racks.
 
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