Browning Citori 725 issues?

cosmic said:
On a single trigger O/U, the trigger mechanism is the heart and soul of the gun. Whether the mechanical trigger is a feature or not remains to be determined. I would assume the trigger issues some of the 725's had would be because of the newly designed mechanical system.

Back in the stone ages, about the time I was born, 2 3/4 in was the standard chamber. Very few guns had 3 inch chambers - they became popular with the advent of steel shot. The superposed came with two actions - the standard 2 3/4 inch and the more beefy action, used for a 3 inch chamber, and for their trap and skeet guns) I use both - the duck gun is a 3 inch action with its chokes reamed out to IC. I just like the Superposed, period. I dont use them for sporting as I consider them to be modestly collectible, and prefer to use more modern guns with choke tubes.
Did I mention the Kodensha make Winchester 101 pigeon grades??? Or the SKB shotguns??? So many shotguns, so little time....
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I guess with any new design, bugs pop up over time and have to be rectified.

Haha ya there are tonne of shotguns out there. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a superposed, do you find a drastic difference in fit/feel between the superposed and more modern versions?
 
Stevefancypix said:
I guess with any new design, bugs pop up over time and have to be rectified.

Haha ya there are tonne of shotguns out there. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a superposed, do you find a drastic difference in fit/feel between the superposed and more modern versions?
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I've had lots of Supers over the years and still have a couple. I really like them but you have to understand that they are old, have flaws and can be expensive to fix. For the most part they are well balanced and fine firearms though.
 
I have a 725 Field in 12ga. Bought it with a bulge in the lower barrel for a hell of a deal. Send it to browning. They wouldn't warranty it... and not saying that they should. (It was worth a try!) Browning said it was either a plugged barrel or faulty ammo. Which I can neither confirm or deny. Browning charged me $1578 to have new barrels fitted.... still significantly cheaper the purchasing a 725 new. I should probably go shoot it some day.
 
Back in the 1980’s I bought a used Citori. When I got it home I noticed a crack in the butt stock at the receiver. I phoned Browning at the main office in Montreal, they asked me to return it for repair which I did. A week later I got a phone call from Browning Canada asking me if I would except a brand new Citori at no charge as they were swamped with another major recall and didn’t have time to deal with my cracked stock. I didn’t understand their thinking but gladly took them up on their offer. A week later received the new Citori in the mail. Back then it made a difference having a main Browning distribution center in Canada.
 
CaribouHunter said:
I have a 725 Field in 12ga. Bought it with a bulge in the lower barrel for a hell of a deal. Send it to browning. They wouldn't warranty it... and not saying that they should. (It was worth a try!) Browning said it was either a plugged barrel or faulty ammo. Which I can neither confirm or deny. Browning charged me $1578 to have new barrels fitted.... still significantly cheaper the purchasing a 725 new. I should probably go shoot it some day.
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That's awesome. Basically a brand new gun at that point.
 
68firebird said:
Back in the 1980’s I bought a used Citori. When I got it home I noticed a crack in the butt stock at the receiver. I phoned Browning at the main office in Montreal, they asked me to return it for repair which I did. A week later I got a phone call from Browning Canada asking me if I would except a brand new Citori at no charge as they were swamped with another major recall and didn’t have time to deal with my cracked stock. I didn’t understand their thinking but gladly took them up on their offer. A week later received the new Citori in the mail. Back then it made a difference having a main Browning distribution center in Canada.
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Wow, that's incredible. That type of service is possibly a good reason they are such a well known company. Plus, they make a good product.
 
I have a 725 12ga sporting first year production .it has been flawless over the last 7 years with a couple thousand rounds per year through it . I also have a 725 20ga field it also has been flawless over the last 3 years . With probably 500 rounds a summer of sporting clay loads .it is my favorite gun to carry and hunt with .
 
rembolt said:
I have a 725 12ga sporting first year production .it has been flawless over the last 7 years with a couple thousand rounds per year through it . I also have a 725 20ga field it also has been flawless over the last 3 years . With probably 500 rounds a summer of sporting clay loads .it is my favorite gun to carry and hunt with .
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That's awesome. So far so good with mine too, although i've only had mine for a few months. I do love it though.
 
Falconflyer said:
The Superposed was hand built in Belgium whereas the Citori is CNC made in Japan so when you break a Super it usually needs hand fitted parts. A lot of people don't know that Supers are still being built in the custom shop in Liege but they're out of most peoples price range. There's also a model called the Liege that was made as a low cost gun for a couple of years in the transition period between Belgian and Japanese production. These guns were known as the B-26 for the American market and B-27 for the European market and I understand that there are neither the same as a Super or Citori mechanically speaking. They're a bit rare but don't have much collector value due to they're being built as a budget gun. I had one for a while years ago and it was nothing special, my heart wasn't broken when it went away.
The Supers were known for they're thin walled barrels, Citori and Synergy have heavier barrels which can give them a muzzle heavy feel by comparison. A 32 inch Synergy with plastic stocks is undoubtedly the worst handling shotgun I've ever fired, it's best use might have been to build a lamp out of.
Citori's are known for they're deep receivers, this is due to the hook being on the bottom of the mono block which is what Browning tried to get away from with the Synergy. Most other guns use trunions on the side of the bottom barrel that engage into the receiver walls and this results in the barrels sitting lower in the receiver. Browning found a way to make the 725 slimmer in the receiver which a lot of people like (myself included) because it makes the gun feel and handle a bit more like a Beretta. I've heard people say that they think the 725 has better feeling triggers than the previous Citori's too but I'm on the fence on that one.
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Synergy is not made by anybody. Browning makes the Cynergy. I have both 32" Cynergy (wood euro stock) and 725 sporting as well as a 30" 725 field ...all 12ga. I like the way the Cynergy handles and shoots. The euro stock to me really does lessen felt recoil (not eliminate it). I rarely miss in the field with 725 but then I practice sporting clays with the Cynergy and 725 sporting ... there are differences but not large enough that I would trash any of them. Only thing with all Browning O/Us are the firing pins may become chipped if using brands of ammo with hard primers (not much of an issue in the field due to number of rounds per yr fired). Mine is one of the older original Cynergy models .. i have seen/handled the newer ones...they are ok but not as nice the first few years of their production (wood stocks). take my penny-thought as you wish...i offer it only as my experience/view...not as gospel.
 
I see that the spelling police have arrived... you knew instantly what I was talking about though.

To be clear, I wasn't knocking the Cynergy :) design but specifically it's the combination of long heavy barrels and the lightweight plastic stock that turn the gun into a fence post. With proper lumber the shotgun balances and handles much better.
 
Falconflyer said:
I see that the spelling police have arrived... you knew instantly what I was talking about though.

To be clear, I wasn't knocking the Cynergy :) design but specifically it's the combination of long heavy barrels and the lightweight plastic stock that turn the gun into a fence post. With proper lumber the shotgun balances and handles much better.
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What about the wood stocked Cynergy ? Are the inferior to the citori or 725's? Im stuck between buying a CITORI CXT then having a adjustable comb and buttplate added or a left handed 725 trap, but i just recently seen a Cynergy trap combo thst look interesting .
 
As I mentioned in the last post, the wood stocked Cynergy is a far better balanced gun than the plastic stocked one but I think the differences between those and the Citori's is mostly personal choice. You may like one with 32 inch barrels whereas someone else might like the 30 in tubes better. Even wood stocked models that are the same can balance slightly different with different density wood or if you cut a half inch off the length or adding an adjustable Graco pad will also change the balance a bit. Also, the choke tubes you use make a significant difference, flush tubes will be lighter than extended tubes and titanium or aluminum tubes might be lighter yet and that weight difference way out at the end of your barrels can influence how the gun balances and swings quite significantly. All of these things will affect the balance of the gun and all you can do if find a decent starting point and go from there. After a couple of years of shooting and trying different guns then you can make refinements to what works well for you. So to start with, find something that fits you pretty close and go shoot, the rest will fall into place soon enough.
 
Chatted with a couple of 725 owners not long ago, and they all had great things to say about their own 725s. One had the 725 PRO trap, two 725 sporting, one 725 field model and all are 12 gauges with no issues.
 
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