Browning HP question

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Hi,

I recently picked up a nice HP and i'm wondering if someone can help me find it's history...when it was made??..it's an INGLIS..Who may have owned it in the past??..it has a lanyard ring...just general info about it.

Thanks in advance eh!

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Inglis made Browning High Powers were made in Canada in 1944 and 1945 for the Canadian Military. They have been the standard issue sidearm of the CF ever since, and are still going strong. What Mark is it? it should say "No1 Mk2" or something like that on it. Several thousand were made for the Chinese but were never delivered. These featured adjustable sights, among other things.

Pics will tell a lot, can you post some?
 
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Sorry, but I can't seem to post any picrures...numbers match on frame and barrel, lanyard Loop and stock grove in butt of grip and is stamped "Mk 1 *" and I just received a PM and was told it's a chinese contract, but it does not have any Chinese markings.

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There is a pretty good article about Inglis HP's in the Jan/Feb 2010 of American Handgunner if you have access to it.

I particularly like the wood holster/extended stock. Two ways of solving problems that I didn't know existed.
 
ALL Inglis High Power pistols are designated Mark I (or I*) ......

The two "models" - i.e. the "Chinese-contract" version with the tangent adjustable rear sight and gripframe slot, and the "Canadian" version with fixed rear sight and no gripframe slot - are referred to respectively as the "No. 1" pistol and the "No. 2" pistol, but were not marked with those designations at time of manufacture .....

The bulk of the No. 1 pistols were produced late in the war (or after the war ended, up to October 1945) after a production pause of several months because it proved impossible to get the pistols into China until Japanese control of virtually all approaches to China had been broken. When production resumed, the Chinese characters were eliminated ....
 
I sure wish I could post a bunch of pics...but I don't have a 7yr old here to show me how!!

Pistol was made in 1944 (by serial number) and does not have any Chinese markings. It has a lanyard loop and stock grove. It was just re-parkerized and is in very nice shape..small spots of pitting here and there...grips are in good shape w/o any cracks or chips.

Can anyone give me an idea how much it is worth??? If you need some pics...send me your email address and I'll send you a bunch.

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I forgot to ask...If mine was made for the Chinese, but was never delivered to them...who got them???? I wonder why it took the Canadian Army so long to issue them? I'm thinking they were a better pistol than the issue Webly??

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I forgot to ask...If mine was made for the Chinese, but was never delivered to them...who got them???? I wonder why it took the Canadian Army so long to issue them? I'm thinking they were a better pistol than the issue Webly??

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Canada farmed the oddball no1 pistols out to whomever they could. When there were foreign sales from Cdn stocks, off would go more of the no1s. When the Canadian navy wanted Inglis Hipowers, the army sent them a lot of no1s. Of course this backfired when the Cdn Forces amalgamated in the late 60s and the supply chains of the 3 services were all linked. Canadian arsenals also modified a number of the no1s by modifying the upper slide and adding the normal humpback sight.

My old unit got in a CH serialized hipower a few years ago. Once in a while you would also find lower frames with the slot for the stock on a no2 pistol. My first Hipower had this feature despite being an all matching T series pistol.
 
It was just re-parkerized ......

Can anyone give me an idea how much it is worth???
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With an out of service refinish, I would say around $550 - $600 and only if the barrel is ex. and the gun is in good operating condition.
There were CH models that were armoury refinished by the Brits that I would still value as collectable guns since the refinish was part of the service history.

Once in a while you would also find lower frames with the slot for the stock on a no2 pistol. My first Hipower had this feature despite being an all matching T series pistol.


Like this one...
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Damn, they're beautifull. Just something about them. Always wanted one, but never encountered anything that was scratched up and worth a fortune.
 
Schick -

Here are two more for you to look at

My Canadian-issue No. 2 pistol still has the original finish and is in pretty nice condition. I got it from the son of a WWII officer who had it in his possession since the end of the war. (Not his "issue" piece I gather, but one he was able to acquire from the system on demobilization.)

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My No. 1 pistol has been re-parkerized, and is one of a batch given as post-war aid to Belgium. Interestingly, it was apparently actually in Canadian service prior to that because it has a C-broadarrow stamped into the rear of the slide on the left side - which is not all that common on Inglis pistols -

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The shoulderstock/holster in the above photo is a reproduction, but I am in the process of trading for an original one with another CGNer ....
 
I forgot to ask...If mine was made for the Chinese, but was never delivered to them...who got them???? I wonder why it took the Canadian Army so long to issue them? I'm thinking they were a better pistol than the issue Webly??

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Actually as of a couple of years ago there were still new Inglis High Powers in the system available for issue (the last number I heard was 4 thousand and some odd of them) so as recently as '07 a Canadian soldier going to Afghanistan could be issued a NEW Inglis High Power made in the late '40's.
 
Actually as of a couple of years ago there were still new Inglis High Powers in the system available for issue (the last number I heard was 4 thousand and some odd of them) so as recently as '07 a Canadian soldier going to Afghanistan could be issued a NEW Inglis High Power made in the late '40's.

thats when you say...ooops, "lost" it;)

I want an Inglis to go with my nazi marked HP
 
thats when you say...ooops, "lost" it;)

I want an Inglis to go with my nazi marked HP

Nowadays a soldier can lose a months pay for losing his weapon overseas. Considering what the guys are pulling in and the intensity of the mission, it just isn't worth the career trouble.
 
I forgot to ask...If mine was made for the Chinese, but was never delivered to them...who got them???? I wonder why it took the Canadian Army so long to issue them? I'm thinking they were a better pistol than the issue Webly??

I see that your questions remain at least partially unanswered .....

As for who got the 1944-made No. 1 pistols which couldn't be delivered to China - those that were finished or still in production were diverted to use by Canada and Britain. Manufacture of the "Chinese model" was effectively terminated early in September of 1944, I understand, but over 500 of that model were still produced in September and October, i.e. finishing pistols already in production and using up slides and frames already made. Seems like they must have had more frames than slides because at least a few T-numbered No. 2 pistols were put out with slotted frames, such as the one Canuck posted a picture of ......

As for why it "took so long" for the Army to issue them ....
Production of the Inglis High Power didn't begin until February of 1944 and got off to a rather slow start with only about 4,000 units of both types completed by the end of May. In fact, the Inglis pistol was not officially adopted for issue to the Canadian Army Overseas (CAO) until 3 September 1944. The logistics of getting the pistols shipped to the European theater and distributed with suitable holsters and ammunition were fairly involved, but they began making their way into the hands of front-line troops prior to the end of 1944.

By the way, no Webley revolver has ever been standard issue for Canadian military forces ..... nor, for that matter, was a Webley revolver primary issue for British forces during WWII, either. The official British service handgun from the late 1920's was the .380 Enfield No. 2 revolver. As far as Canadian forces are concerned, only the RCAF adopted that model (and only had a few, relatively speaking - maybe 3,000 or so in total. The handgun officially adopted in 1939 for Canadian army issue was the .38 Smith & Wesson Military & Police model revolver ..... with over 118,000 of them acquired in total, according to Clive Law's "Canadian Military Handguns, 1855-1985". Here is the rather nice example in my collection - it is the "commercial quality' type acquired early on .... later, they got progressively plainer and roughly finished, ending up essentially the same as the "Victory models" used by the American armed forces ....

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Thanks to you all!! I now know more about my HP!! "GrantR"...sorry about me thinking the Webley was our WWII issue pistol..but thanks to you..I now know which pistol is correct.

Steve...aka 42MB
 
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