Browning Superemposed

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So I have an older Browning "Superposed" over under shotgun, and I absolutely love it, the wood has a nice marbling effect to it, the tip of the gun to the back is engraved in a unique pattern, and the action is smooth. The only downside to it is a fixed choke barrel, which i'm not to fond of. I took it to a bunch of gun shops and all of them said the barrel is to thin for a choke to be threaded in. Which brings me to my question, can I fit a new styled barrel into the old forend and receiver? or can I put a completely new barrel and forend on the old receiver without any fitment or working issues?
 
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So I have an older Browning Superemposed over under shotgun, and I absolutely love it, the wood has a nice marbling effect to it, the tip of the gun to the back is engraved in a unique pattern, and the action is smooth. The only downside to it is a fixed choke barrel, which i'm not to fond of. I took it to a bunch of gun shops and all of them said the barrel is to thin for a choke to be threaded in. Which brings me to my question, can I fit a new styled barrel into the old forend and receiver? or can I put a completely new barrel and forend on the old receiver without any fitment or working issues?
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I once wrote to Browning and asked the same question regarding a Citori. The reply was that each set of barrels is hand fitted so one would have to get an new set made and hand fitted to the receiver. They were honest enough to say that the cost of a new Citori with the invector chokes would be not far off the cost of a new set of barrels with screw in chokes.

You might consider something like Briley inserts in a smaller guage (eg 20 inside the 12)
 
Sure you can send it to Browning at there Belgium plant and for about $3000.00 and a two year wait and a lot of paper work you will get it back but actually they won't even do that type of work to a superposed action just enjoy it for what it is they come from a time when life was much different ,
 
Is nobody going to correct "Superemposed"? Let me save you some embarassment, it's a Superposed, your gun is a Superposed! Enjoy it, they are classics, if you want a modern gun, buy another one. You have a fine piece, listen to what gunsmiths tell you. Leave it alone,

Patrick
 
Which gun stores did you take it to? While it is true the muzzles on the older Belgians are sometimes too close together to install choke tubes some specialist installers can fit them. Did you try Steve Milton at Precision Arms? If anyone in Canada can do it he can.

If the chokes are too tight then can be reamed out to more open constrictions.
 
I did correct it in my comment I have been working in gun shops for too many years I just understand what people mean when they describe firearms incorrectly .
 
phinton81 said:
Is nobody going to correct "Superemposed"? Let me save you some embarassment, it's a Superposed, your gun is a Superposed! Enjoy it, they are classics, if you want a modern gun, buy another one. You have a fine piece, listen to what gunsmiths tell you. Leave it alone,

Patrick
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No I didn't bother correct "Superemposed" because I knew what he meant too. There's no need to be a jerk about it.

Why should he buy another gun when he has one he clearly likes and that he wants to adapt to his intended purpose?

As for installing choke tubes I wouldn't automatically take the word of just any guy in a gun store which is why I asked if he'd sought the opinion of Steve Milton. He's installed choke tubes in thousands of guns and can tell whether this gun is a potential candidate.
 
Even with tubes it would still not be computable with steel shot using the extended tube with the choke portion out side the bbl what happens is the threaded portion is damaged they just are from another time . How is the Featherweight Steve I'm still waiting for my 16ga.Citori Shooters choice are very slow with shipping .
 
To some degree, I think choke tubes are over-rated.

What chokes are on the gun and what purpose do you intend to use it for? With the right chokes and ammo selection (development if you make your own), you'd be surprised what you can do with a fixed choke gun.
 
Claybuster said:
No I didn't bother correct "Superemposed" because I knew what he meant too. There's no need to be a jerk about it.

Why should he buy another gun when he has one he clearly likes and that he wants to adapt to his intended purpose?
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Thanks a lot for the support and constructive input from majority of you guys! I have not talked to Steve Milton, I will have to do that, after that has been done I will have to then make my decisions.
 
Allow me to throw a second vote of support for Steve Milton. He is the man for this type of job and his work is excellent. :) He has choked a few guns for me over the years. Prepare yourself, it won't be cheap.:(
 
Slugo said:
Allow me to throw a second vote of support for Steve Milton. He is the man for this type of job and his work is excellent. :) He has choked a few guns for me over the years. Prepare yourself, it won't be cheap.:(
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Cheap is relative. ;)

It will be cheaper than a new gun and cheaper than shipping the barrels to Teague in England or Briley in Houston.

I've gotten over the sticker shock from the high end gun smiths because the work was good. I remember forever the lower cost smiths who did a crappy job.
 
Claybuster said:
Cheap is relative. ;)

It will be cheaper than a new gun and cheaper than shipping the barrels to Teague in England or Briley in Houston.

I've gotten over the sticker shock from the high end gun smiths because the work was good. I remember forever the lower cost smiths who did a crappy job.
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Sage advice. You get what you pay for.
 
I am in the school of "tailor the load to the target ' bunch!:D
if the chokes are too tight, you can adda spreader wad, or if they are too open, you can actually tighten the pattern a tad with a wad change as well.
Or, just shoot it more until you don't notice too tight a choke!:rockOn:
Cat
 
No one here mentioned Briley tubes and chokes. They have dealers here and it might be a thought.

Driller
 
First of all, what is your intended use for the gun? Shooting clays with lead, upland with lead, trap with lead, or waterfowl with steel shot?


And I thought it was funny that the guy who corrected 'superemposed' spelled embarrass incorrectly. Good one, I caught that little test! ;)
 
I have installed choke tubes for some 16yrs Thin Wall and Standard As I mentioned before you will not be able to shoot steel shot in that gun no matter what style of tube used the bbls are simply to thin even if you use the extended style, it may work okay for skeet or sporting clays when used with small shot I have owned a few superposed shotguns over the yrs.and there wall thickness is simply to thin.
 
struff55 said:
I have installed choke tubes for some 16yrs Thin Wall and Standard As I mentioned before you will not be able to shoot steel shot in that gun no matter what style of tube used the bbls are simply to thin even if you use the extended style, it may work okay for skeet or sporting clays when used with small shot I have owned a few superposed shotguns over the yrs.and there wall thickness is simply to thin.
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It doesn't matter whether choke tubes are installed or not in this case. Browning recommends against shooting steel shot in any Belgian-made guns.

http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=128

Accordingly, our recommendations concerning the use of steel shot in Browning shotguns is as follows:

1. WILL ACCEPT ALL CURRENT FACTORY STEEL SHOT LOADS: All Browning shotguns with the Invector choke or Invector-Plus tube systems, However, we do not recommend the use of Invector full or extra full chokes with steel shot. They pattern too tightly, and sometimes result in a "blown" pattern.

2. WILL ACCEPT ALL CURRENT FACTORY STEEL SHOT LOADS EXCEPT THOSE WITH T, F, BB AND BBB SIZE SHOT: The B-2000 and B-80 shotguns with conventional chokes (Non-Invector)

3. DO NO USE ANY STEEL SHOT LOADS: The Belgian-made A-5, Superposed, Leige, and other Belgian Over/Under models, Double Automatic, American-made A-5 and all other models not listed in category 1 or 2. Note: Belgian Auto-5 barrels are interchangeable with the new Invector barrels which are made in Japan. With this new Invector barrel installed on the Belgian-made Auto-5 receiver, steel shot loads can be used.
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I have a very nice FN manufactured B25 ( Superposed) , European version with the classic 'thin' barrels: Jess Briley fitted them perfectly with the 2.75" long thinwall chokes with .75" of square cut threads at the muzzle end. The OD of the barrels are .800 and .806 respectively, and the ID with skeet chokes is .720, @ .005 constriction .... ie. nominal .725" bores, so do the math - very precise machining, which can be done.

I've shot this gun on Sporting Clays for thousands of rounds and on pheasants for~15 years ... I think it will last a bit yet.
 
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