Bubba'd M95M with pic's

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My son has a friend with one, I told him to pick it up.
Am I doing alright buying unseen for 150-200 $ ?
And no, this is not a 'Help me est. a resale value post'
Not sure if it's re-calibred to 8 x 57 or still 8 x 56 R(right cal ?)
I just need a Steyr straight pull for the gang, I think it's a long bbl'd rifle glancing at the cell phone pic's
Thanks
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Edit; apparently it has Swastika marked rounds that are with it too, don't know if this helps or muddies the water
 
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Most likely in 8x56R, the only ones I know of in 8x57 were Yugoslavian converted examples to closely mimic their M1924 mausers. The biggest give away for 8x56R would be a large "S" stamped on the barrel just forward of the receiver
 
I got my carbine at Tradeex for cheap cheap. My best guess is that $150 is fairish for a bubba in shooting shape unless there's something particularly rare about this one. 8x56R if it hasn't been re chambered. 8x50 was the earlier chambering. These are nice rifles, undervalued, maybe due to the hard to find ammo.
 
the last non bubba'd short rifle I had I sold for $210 including shipping. I wouldn't pay more then $150 max. the value I give to the ammo is $35 per 10 rounds if they are on stripper clips.
 
Depends on the WaA, the Austrian rifles had the Imperial eagle on the barrel and receiver and this may be easily mistaken for a WaA.
 
I thought you meant the bullet casings had the waffen marks.

no the waffen marks on the rifle are fake. germans never made the steyr rifle. I don't think they even made receivers for the steyr after 35?
its fake but maybe with the markings would bring it up a bit just as a curio. I would pay $200 for that if it comes with ammo too.
 
It's my nephews. He paid 150 $ with the enbloc clips with the rounds in place, swears they are marked with 'Dirty birds' on the rounds and enbloc clips.
Paid 150 for the Bubba'd 95, got burned a little I think.
He will shoot more pic's my way this evening.
Thanks for the help all.
 
Like this:
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Unquestionably the ammo will be 8X56r, Wollersdorf (Hirtenberger) 1938 made ammo, likely 8/38, as that was the one brought in in the largest numbers by Century International, now 10-20$ per 5 round clip. My guess is as others say, likely Austrian marks being mistaken for German marks. Either way, odds at 99 to 1 that's its all Austrian stuff, but still a reasonable price.
 
Depending on how creative bubba was feeling the day he grabbed that M95, she may be able to be restored to complete military configuration again.

One of my current projects, for instance, is the restoration of an Italian capture marked M95 stutzen. Luckily, bubba just cut a few inches of wood off and threw away the bands (damn you bubba) but she can be brought back with some TLC.
 
If it has the 12mm "S" on the barrel, it will have been converted in the 1930s to the 8x56R. Takes a .329" or .330" slug, 208 grains. Trade-Ex has brass in bulk, there are some dealers with loaded ammo at about $30 a box. Brass is reloadable; it's Prvi Partizan ammo. LEE makes a mould and sizer for this number. Use standard 8mm/.32-cal gas-checks.

Pre-War and Wartime ammo I can't talk about, not having fired any. I do know that the Bulgarian ammo was violently corrosive; headstamp "BPhi" - looks like "BO" with a vertical slash through the "O". Sofia Arsenal.

Any original ammo I have seen takes a .217" Berdan primer. These are now available in Canada in "Dominion" brand, Russian-made. RCBS makes the old Lachmiller depriming tool for decapping cases, then you put in new ones with a special .217" primer punch/cup assembly (easily made if you have a lathe). Mid-south in the States has a special Lee mould which runs a 225 slug which will do the job although a tad light.

There is a chance the rifle might still be in the original 8x50R, which takes a .323" slug of 244 grains. Brass is made easily by trimming 7.62x54R bulk casings, opening out the necks and fire-forming them. NO troubles at all.

CLIPS interchange between calibres.... and also can be persuaded to operate with the ancient 11mm round for the 1886 model. Work fine in the 1888, 1888/90 as well.

As has been said, the "S" on the chamber is the giveaway.

Good luck with the New Toy!
 
Actually that is the exact ammo from a pic he sent ( too fuzzy to bother here ).
The cell phone snaps show a 'used' rifle for sure.
An unscrupulous seller at a gun show took advantage of him IMO. He's 18, does selling an 8 X 56R that requires enbloc clips and rare ammo to him make sense? Most adults wouldn't be able to manage the ammo requirements of it; let alone a grade 12 boy.
Just greasy.
 
tokguy said:
Actually that is the exact ammo from a pic he sent ( too fuzzy to bother here ).
The cell phone snaps show a 'used' rifle for sure.
An unscrupulous seller at a gun show took advantage of him IMO. He's 18, does selling an 8 X 56R that requires enbloc clips and rare ammo to him make sense? Most adults wouldn't be able to manage the ammo requirements of it; let alone a grade 12 boy.
Just greasy.
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Well as someone who is relatively close to his age and having a Steyr M95 in 8x56r I can say they aren't too hard to feed in this day in age. Privi Partizan makes some boxer primed 8x56r and usually sells for around 26-30$ a box of 20 (yes it is expensive). Also once you get the enbloc clips (called Mannlicher clips), you won't have to again. Note if it is the Carbine in 8x56r then it is going to kick HARD, not exactly a fun gun to shoot lots.

The other thing is yes he did get ripped off a bit on price, but that is a good lesson just means he has to keep it now. The Waffenants on the rifle were added after the war by some people looking to make a quick buck and sell a 'Nazi' rifle. Waffenants were never used on these rifles as those are meant to be inspector markings at the factory (none of these rifles were produced by the Nazis or even the Germans). Hope this helps and sorry he got ripped off.
 
It arrived tonight ( got to get the camera back from the daughter!) and it's a Yugoslavian M95M in 8 x 57 mauser.
Bolt and extractor seem to work well but it's a puzzle as to magazine function.
Great bore but no Waffenampts to be seen. Kids get excited about crown proofs I guess
 
If she is missing the unique magazine retaining clip that sits inside the magazine body, you won't be able to fire her. Single loading from the magazine, or even putting a round in the chamber and closing the bolt, has lead to many extractors on these being broken or damaged.

Also, whatever you do, do NOT attempt to chamber the 8x56R ammo in her either.
 
The nephew and son said that's an impossibility, they dropped a Waffenampt'd 8 X 56R in the chamber and it stops a full 1/2" short.
I've a K98 ( 8mm ammo abounds at my house) so I did an internet search and cautiously cycled an 8 x 57 through it. Cycled NP
It's actually in pretty decent shape.
Camera and pic's tomorrow.
Got to post some S & W 2nd model in 455 webley too.




Too bad Bubba got to it.
 
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