You may get away with a Tri Ball load in most of the Province, but certainly not in the "Shotgun with Shot" Areas as "Shot" is defined on Page 4. Now something like a .690 roundball chased with seven #1 Buck pellets would be Legal.
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You may get away with a Tri Ball load in most of the Province, but certainly not in the "Shotgun with Shot" Areas as "Shot" is defined on Page 4. Now something like a .690 roundball chased with seven #1 Buck pellets would be Legal.
Brutus
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Buck & ball can be a worthy choice as long as one researches for themselves the best choke and maximum range, for this very specislized handload.
Buck & ball, in military usage ( carry it over for deer hunting)
has been a thing since US army ordnance manual of 1842.
And they adopted it from the British.
During America's bloody Civil War, Irish brigades under the Confederacy literally slaughtered other advancing Irish troops fighting for the North. They used primarily buck&ball from behind a stone wall. Battle of Antietem(?)
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I use #4 buck in 12ga for coyotes and road shooting wounded deer the police let me finish off. Works amazingly well.
For deer Copper plated 00buck with flight control wads federal premium is about the best thing going for me.
Used to use lead bb in the old days for ducks and geese on the lake now I use BB BBB and t shot steel in my 10ga guns for waterfowl. Mostly geese over the fields with the 10s nowadays. I use 12ga with #2 steel for ducks mostly now
I've never had much good results with 000 buck in 12ga. 00buck always patterns tighter
Even in my muzzleloaders 00 buck patterns great although I haven't had a chance to use the ml guns on deer yet. Coyotes have fallen to home cast slugs from them though
For flight control 00buck I find ext ic choke to give me a solid 8" pattern at 25 yards from my a400 and 1301 and my a303 with a fixed mod about matches it
#4 buck from various pumps and sxs guns does well in fixed full and mod chokes.
I haven't played much with the 18 pellet 00buck 10ga loads yet but will sooner or later
It's always an interesting topic.
I'd like to try #1 buck in 16ga but have no use for it and #2 buck is the biggest I've found for 20ga but it only held a decent pattern to 25 yards in any choke I tried
For deer Copper plated 00buck with flight control wads federal premium is about the best thing going for me.
Used to use lead bb in the old days for ducks and geese on the lake now I use BB BBB and t shot steel in my 10ga guns for waterfowl. Mostly geese over the fields with the 10s nowadays. I use 12ga with #2 steel for ducks mostly now
I've never had much good results with 000 buck in 12ga. 00buck always patterns tighter
Even in my muzzleloaders 00 buck patterns great although I haven't had a chance to use the ml guns on deer yet. Coyotes have fallen to home cast slugs from them though
For flight control 00buck I find ext ic choke to give me a solid 8" pattern at 25 yards from my a400 and 1301 and my a303 with a fixed mod about matches it
#4 buck from various pumps and sxs guns does well in fixed full and mod chokes.
I haven't played much with the 18 pellet 00buck 10ga loads yet but will sooner or later
It's always an interesting topic.
I'd like to try #1 buck in 16ga but have no use for it and #2 buck is the biggest I've found for 20ga but it only held a decent pattern to 25 yards in any choke I tried
I have given up on Buck & Ball for hunting .... If I choke the barrel for the buckshot ... then the slug/ball will not be accurate .... and if I choke the barrel for the slug/ball .... well, then the buckshot is all over and useless .... :-(
For anybody interested in Back & Ball ... here a link to my experiments ....
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?339590-Buck-amp-Ball-Once-again
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Slightly off topic:
Uhm. I had some success actually gluing .495 round ball over top three 00 buckshot. It worked at 25 yards from both full chokes my Parkhurst coachgun. Blackpowder cartridge folks, and i took great pains to keep everything as centrered as possible.
In reality it acted like a slug. But man, it was accurate because I suspect the barrels were-are regulated.
My own singular experience. Yeah, I know this isn't what people wanted to hear. I consider this a better improvised option to cut plastic shotgun shells.
But there it is....
Uhm. I had some success actually gluing .495 round ball over top three 00 buckshot. It worked at 25 yards from both full chokes my Parkhurst coachgun. Blackpowder cartridge folks, and i took great pains to keep everything as centrered as possible.
In reality it acted like a slug. But man, it was accurate because I suspect the barrels were-are regulated.
My own singular experience. Yeah, I know this isn't what people wanted to hear. I consider this a better improvised option to cut plastic shotgun shells.
But there it is....
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Well in this case .... I am asking .... you still haven't told us of what that buck actually died and dropped so quickly?
Feel like sharing ....
redbirddog
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I have an 870 with a 21" barrel with a varmit choke. I use imperial 3" lead BBs for close up yotes and gophers. Every box of lead BBs I buy up at shows and auction. I love them and don't want to change. Steel BBs suck..... I am playing with some 3-1/2 " shells in #4 Buck for up north wolves. Just need more time to play and experiment. I would like to hear what folks refusing for Wads? I am also tinkering in 410 loads with BBs and Buck as well.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I recommend highly the screw in chokes with at least half inch knurled edge protruding from the muzzle. As often seen in the shotgun sports as shooting clays. In thus way you can visually check the choke is fully screwed home, security of your replaceable choke.
Plus no choke wrench required.
Yes, I switched to extended chokes a while back ..... so much easier to handle and deal with .... I totally agree.
I still want to do a buckshot pattern test with different size buckshot and different chokes .... I had planned doing this test this spring .... and bought a whole bunch of chokes last winter ... including special purpose buckshot chokes. But unfortunately other unforeseen things had higher priority. I am hoping to do that test this fall .... fingers crossed ....
Wowwww ... yes, it seems somebody is a bit jumpy and seems to have had a bad week.
Next time somebody states "ask away" ... I will read it with a grain of salt ...
I am asking because there are many bucks and deer that have received a buckshot volley ... but they did not die ... and they lived on to tell a story years later ... and when they were finally skinned and butchered.
So, yes ... I am interested in understanding how buckshot kills .... and doesn't kill ...
But no more questions .... I got the salt here .... Thank you!
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