Budget target 223, Savage, Remington or ?

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I'm looking at a low budget target rifle in 223.

For now I've ruled out cheaper 700 models as they mostly come with 1:12 barrels and I don't like the limitation it carries.

So right now, I am looking at the new 783 heavy barrel with 24'' or a Savage 10T SR. I kinda ruled out the Ruger american predator as the only american I held had a really poorly molded stock and iffy mag mechanism... Might have been a lemon tho as everyone seem to love em.

Was wondering if you guys had other entry level/low budget rifle to suggest? I also considered the TC Compass, which seem really good according to the reviews and comments, but the barrel seems a little on the light side...

Thx for your insight!
 
Ruger Precision Rifle in 223? Once you factor in the cost of taking a normal bolt gun and buying a stock/chassis with adjustable LOP and cheek height, free floated fore-end, 20MOA rail, and 2pcs 10round magazines, it's decent value if you can find one.
 
I don't think I'll go that far. I'm limited to 200 yards unless I travel quite a bit, and don't plan on competing. Least not short term, and if so, will most likely go with 308/6.5.
 
The Remington 783 is probably your best bet. I can't speak from experience but someone whose opinion I trust has plenty of good things to say about it. The savage is also a decent choice, and something I currently shoot, but be warned the extraction/ejection can be a little unreliable.

Anything in a chassis isn't going to fit the description of "budget" rifle, that said if the OP can afford one it will correct the only REAL problem with a HB Rifle that cost $500-$800, the stock. I have a Savage 10T-SR, and I will be eventually changing the stock, likely with an MDT Chassis.
 
Not sure what the 783 goes for but I would probably look closer at that model. I have a 10t Sr in 6.5 creed and it's not the most reliable at ejecting. I have played around with the 783 HB in 308, and had a standard 783 in 7mm rem mag. I like the savage on sale for $650, but not at $850. I dropped my savage in an oryx chassis. I recommend that for your shooting enjoyment and keeping the cost down.
 
I have personally shot 2 - 783's in 223 factory rifles. Both have been the older hunting versions with the gawd awful bolt knob. the factory mags were surprisingly awesome... but it is blocked to the typical short length. Could be modded for longer (????) Both rifles, with handloads were consistently sub MOA.... I would say averaging in the 5's to 7's at shorter distances.

The factory barrel quality is quite good but I have yet to find one that was a "WOW" like I have with older Savage. An aftermarket match barrel can put things in the 1/4 to 1/3 MOA range with the proper ammo.

bolt function is excellent and when the action breaks in, very smooth. Extraction and ejection seems to be consistently good in these rifles. Trigger is also excellent with most have little creep and adjustable to around 2lbs. Timney should be releasing a new trigger in 2020 if you want to go that route.

Get the new HB or varmint version... you want the new action with the oversized bolt knob. These run even smoother out of the box then the hunting versions I have and others I have tested. I have now played with 3 HB action out of the box and they were really nice. With break in and a little touch up, run superbly. And then you dont have to deal with that horrid flat bolt knob.

Main problem area is the factory firing pin spring... while you are breaking in the action, beat the snot out of them but I don't trust them as I have seen pretty much every one fail with use. If you get any failure to fire after the rifle has run well, it is the firing pin spring... get rid of it. WOLFF Rem 700 SA 24lbs spring is what you want. Cut 1/2" shorter, install and all ignition problems go away. Replace as needed and you will see very consistent groupings.... and yes, you should be replacing your firing pin springs regularly as they will wear out with use, even when cycling the action.

I have played with many Savage in 223 over the years. The older rifles all consistently shot well. Ejection can be problematic (typical of this make unfortunately). Mag feeding should be good but again, can vary depending on the actual rifle. Accuracy can be stellar and I have shot some factory barrels into the 3's and 4's.

with the ongoing changes Savage makes to their actions and especially, firing system, I have moved away to the 783 and other actions. If you are choosing a used Savage that is like 10yrs old, can be fantastic actions. Whatever the generation that created the Stevens 200. Todays manf doesn't make me all that excited.

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On a really tight budget, get the 24" version of this rifle. Bed the action, open up the forend ALOT. Load up some 68 to 75gr bullets over VARGET and go have some fun.

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If you prefer a nicer stock, this will do it... if you prefer a chassis, start with the rifle above and swap in as funds allow.

The aftermarket is starting to make stuff for the 783... you have stocks, DBM, Chassis, rails, eventually trigger. Then the full range of prefit spec barrels... AND the bolt heads that can be swapped in

XLR just announced their Element chassis will support the 783

If you compare current production Savage vs 783, the 783 wins hands down. If you are going to start with an older Savage action and it doesn't have function issues, then pick which you prefer based on the parts you want to build.

If the goal is to run AICS mags in the action, the 783 wins over EVERY generation of Savage.

Jerry
 

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You shouldn't rule out the 700 SPS based solely on barrel twist. 1:12" twist sure isn't the most popular or versatile but you will get really good results with 50 and 55 gr bullets.

I have a 26" SPS Varmint 1:12" Remington 700 in the 300 yards challenge with .616 MOA 10 shots at 300 yards.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-challenge?p=14059821&viewfull=1#post14059821

Sure that build was sitting in a McMillan stock but the fact is that the barrel and action were very accurate for a budget build.
 
The Mossber MVP Varmint is a decent budget 223. 1:9 twist, excellent trigger, loose bolt when cycled but sub MOA with factory loads right out the box. I've got a couple .5" @100 5 shot groups with hand loads out of mine. Just something to consider...
 
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I have a 10t-sr in 223 and with handloads it is boring accurate. The big thing is to find a rifle that fits you the best in my opinion.
 
My 2 cents.

Newer Savages are still fine shooting rifles. Those that bad mouth them seem to be businesses that don't sell them and folks who have been beaten by them. The current world record in ELR is held by a stock Savage action and barrel that was mounted in a chassis.

I have a 700 in 223 that I really like, mounted it in a Magpul Hunter 700 stock. I have a varmint load worked up and it gives me .5 inch groups all day.

I also have a Ruger Precision. Not in 223 but in 6.5 Creedmoor. I cant say enough good things about the RPR. If you find one in 223 you'll love it.

I don't have personal experience with Howa or the 783 but have heard great things about both.

Find a rifle that is comfortable for you. Any of the rifles you mentioned should be a good shooter. You can always add a chassis and other goodies later.
 
My 2 cents.

Newer Savages are still fine shooting rifles. Those that bad mouth them seem to be businesses that don't sell them and folks who have been beaten by them. The current world record in ELR is held by a stock Savage action and barrel that was mounted in a chassis.

I have a 700 in 223 that I really like, mounted it in a Magpul Hunter 700 stock. I have a varmint load worked up and it gives me .5 inch groups all day.

I also have a Ruger Precision. Not in 223 but in 6.5 Creedmoor. I cant say enough good things about the RPR. If you find one in 223 you'll love it.

I don't have personal experience with Howa or the 783 but have heard great things about both.

Find a rifle that is comfortable for you. Any of the rifles you mentioned should be a good shooter. You can always add a chassis and other goodies later.

If this is directed at me, you might want to check out all my posts and pages in support of the Savage over the last 15yrs. I was one of Savages biggest advocates way back when. Have competed with them, podiumed with them and still continue to use them in F class - older gen ones.

One of the first in Canada to demonstrate the positive nature of the barrel nut prefit match barrel performance.. sure got a lot of heat for that way back when. Now this process is well accepted with thousands and thousands of happy shooters around the world.

Continue to support them with parts, and tech... when I can figure out what the heck the shooter has in their hands.

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Not sure if you are aware of the many changes that have happened with the action over the last 5 to 8 yrs.... mechanical changes that I am not particularly fond of. Can it work? Sure. Would you choose to use the current vs how it was designed at least 3 generations back? Investigate for yourself and decide.

I was thrilled to hear the a Savage made it to the podium for the ELR record. I am still a big supported of the brand in some respects. you might want to confirm WHICH generation action was used.

What I consider the best Savage Short action would be in around the time of the Stevens 200. This generation action went through at least 3 changes... but still used the same 2 digit numbering. There was a time you could determine exactly what variant you were talking about by the number and lettering of the factory rifle. That has long since been forgotten

There have been many more major changes since which you can group into Generations... or any other description you wish. I have lost track but I now ask a lot of questions to determine which action a customer is asking for parts to support.

the most current action has at least 3 variants in the short action (maybe more)... I have no idea the actual total. Do you?

Then there were the target actions that went through 2 changes way back when... I lost track of these after and really don't know how they have changed over the last decade.

And now the current names on production rifles are all goofy vs how things were called before. I have absolutely no idea what the current rifles refer to anymore

.. be interesting for someone to see how many variants a "10" and "110" refer to over the last 75yrs of manf.

So when you say SAVAGE action, you need to indicate a lot more info.

Jerry
 

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Not really a cheap rifle but the savage lrpv in .223 is the most accurate factory rifle I’ve ever shot or witnessed. When I got mine I shot maybe 25 rounds out of it before switching it to 6br, but of those 25 rounds I don’t think it broke out of the 3’s with 5 round groups.
 
If your goal is a cheap factory rifle to have fun that is decently accurate my choices would Rem 783 first and Savage 2nd.

I agree with Jerry here the newer Savages are questionable, but without a doubt still very decent rifles.

GST
 
If 1 minute is your goal, they’ll all pretty much do it. Even the rimfire rifles can do it. When you say “target” rifle, you insinuate shooting for groups and steel at a distance. Playing that game is all about upgrading and chasing smaller groups and farther targets. You’re best on a budget to pick something that’ll grow with you. Sure you can re-barrel anything, but stocks and triggers are important too. You want a 20moa rail and a choice of triggers for a Weatherby? Good luck. You want to check the EE for a dozen stocks, triggers, rails? You’re going to want a Remington. (Just examples. Not participating in the above flame war)

If you’re happy with a minute or less with hand loading, and aren’t the type to obsess over things like brass prep or finding the perfect shooting bags, pick whatever catches your eye.
$300 savage axis .223 will do the job.
 
Check around for older stock (stuff not in current catalog) - I bought a Rem 700 XCR Tactical a few years back from Bashaw Sports in .223, with a 20" barrel, 1x9 twist. It's a tack driver with 77grSMK or 60gr Ballistic Tips over RL15.
 
How about the Howa 1500? If the question was about a 308 or 6.5 CM, the 1500 Bravo is a steal for what you're getting. In 223 they aren't making a Bravo yet, but the standard 1500 is still very attractive.
 
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