"Budget" Tavor Optics

airbatic said:
Any links to where these are for sale in Canada?
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They're not out yet.

Still alive said:
TVPP, what did you think of this system? I found it hard to get used to but that was only playing with it for 15 mins.
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I had many thoughts.

There are some clear advantages of the D-EVO over other similar dot-and-scope solutions.

  • You don’t need to move anything to change powers. You don’t need to even tilt your head. Just shift your focus and it’s there.
  • It’s compatible with existing red dots. Leupold launched a new LCO red dot this year, too. But if you’re the kind of guy who loves his Aimpoint Comp M4 and can’t let it go, the D-EVO is only two inches high.
  • The reticle inside is a solid shooting solution. When you switch to the 6x, you’ve got a clear central aiming point, but also a ladder-style tree of windage and elevation holds, along with an integrated ranging reticle on the far right side. It might seem busy, but the center aiming point never gets lost.

I can also see some disadvantages that could cause people to think twice before throwing in $1,500 on this unit.

  • You have to think about line of sight differently. Because the optic is looking down the side of your carbine, rather along the top, you have to rethink what you put there. If you’re a left-handed shooter with an aggressive grip or the kind of person with lights or lasers in the 12 to 3 o’clock position, you can find yourself blocking part of the optic. This will also apply to barrier shooting, under-car shooting, or whatever unusual position strikes your fancy.
  • It can be distracting. If you’re going to use this, you’re going to want to train extensively with it, and make sure that your brain is using the right optic at the right time. It’s easy to slip from one to the other, and while you’re looking at the red dot, you’ll see the magnified image moving right below. Conversely, I could see having trouble focusing on the magnified image for extended periods of time.
  • You’ll want to have a very consistent cheekweld. The unlimited eye relief of a regular red dot is one of their main selling features, but the D-EVO has just under three and half inches of eye relief. You’ll want to position yourself in a specific spot on the rifle to pickup the magnified image easily. Too close or too far and you could find the 6x tough to use.
 
I can also see some disadvantages that could cause people to think twice before throwing in $1,500 on this unit.
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I think the biggest one is that you can't ever zero it so that POI is the same as POA. You always have to aim two inches to the right to get a hit where you expect it to. Otherwise your sight line and the bullet trajectory will cross and start to diverge in the other offset direction beyond the zero distance.

Also, since it sits lower that the normal AR sight plane, the holdovers/unders that everyone is used to will be different.
 
Vortex viper pst 1-4x20 love the scope and is said to have true 1-1 so can act same as a red dot and shoot with both eyes open. My other option I haven't tried but interested in is a red dot with magnifiers
 
Well I sighted in my Tavor and did a bit of shooting using my Burris AR-536 scope today. I think it's grouping pretty good at 25 yards with 10 rounds using American Eagle 55gr ammo. Still need to go a couple clicks down and to the left I think :redface: I was pretty happy tho with this group

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Ravage said:
Well I sighted in my Tavor and did a bit of shooting using my AR-536 today. I think it's grouping pretty good at 25 yards with 10 rounds. Still need to go a couple clicks down and to the left I think :redface: I was pretty happy tho with this group

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Nice shooting :) .....and stretching-out the range at which you shoot will better help with future sighting-adjustments.
 
The Burris AR332 is a very good option for the money.

Three power, nice big 32mm optic, forgiving eye relief, calibrated for ranges 100 to 500m and already on its' own mount flat top ready.
 
TV-PressPass said:
They're not out yet.



I had many thoughts.

There are some clear advantages of the D-EVO over other similar dot-and-scope solutions.

  • You don’t need to move anything to change powers. You don’t need to even tilt your head. Just shift your focus and it’s there.
  • It’s compatible with existing red dots. Leupold launched a new LCO red dot this year, too. But if you’re the kind of guy who loves his Aimpoint Comp M4 and can’t let it go, the D-EVO is only two inches high.
  • The reticle inside is a solid shooting solution. When you switch to the 6x, you’ve got a clear central aiming point, but also a ladder-style tree of windage and elevation holds, along with an integrated ranging reticle on the far right side. It might seem busy, but the center aiming point never gets lost.

I can also see some disadvantages that could cause people to think twice before throwing in $1,500 on this unit.

  • You have to think about line of sight differently. Because the optic is looking down the side of your carbine, rather along the top, you have to rethink what you put there. If you’re a left-handed shooter with an aggressive grip or the kind of person with lights or lasers in the 12 to 3 o’clock position, you can find yourself blocking part of the optic. This will also apply to barrier shooting, under-car shooting, or whatever unusual position strikes your fancy.
  • It can be distracting. If you’re going to use this, you’re going to want to train extensively with it, and make sure that your brain is using the right optic at the right time. It’s easy to slip from one to the other, and while you’re looking at the red dot, you’ll see the magnified image moving right below. Conversely, I could see having trouble focusing on the magnified image for extended periods of time.
  • You’ll want to have a very consistent cheekweld. The unlimited eye relief of a regular red dot is one of their main selling features, but the D-EVO has just under three and half inches of eye relief. You’ll want to position yourself in a specific spot on the rifle to pickup the magnified image easily. Too close or too far and you could find the 6x tough to use.
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Sorry TVPP,
Forgot about this post and just saw it again!
Very detailed analysis and I agree with all points. I posted a similar finding on the 2015 SHOT forum about the D-EVO.
Having said what you said, would you buy one? Esp. for the $ and training needed?
 
There's something about the D-EVO I find more appealing than say vs an ACOG with and RMR red dot on top....im not really sure why though....

Anyway, so as I live in the boonies (NWT) I have decided to wait to make the purchase until I can go down south and actually see the scopes in person before making the decision. I'm liking the idea of one with a BDC built in. I did get the holoson red dot mounted and took it last weekend. The target is a five shot group at 25 yards, the other is a five shot group on a tank (a little smaller than a standard 20 lbs propane tank) at 200 yards. I was shooting off a bench without a gun vise or led sled and was using military surplus ammo. I don't claim to be a good shot but I was pretty happy with the results for now especially with no magnification.


 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kskov-Jp20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZazQ-iU69Ag

You can decide what you want about the above videos. Obviously, nobody would ever treat their optic like that, so really no optic ever needs to be built like that, but the fact that the Mepro takes crap like that, plus hard military abuse, appeals to me.

Also, I like the idea of using the optic that was designed for use by the IDF.

Anybody have opinions on the different reticle options for the Mepro? I'm kinda in between the Triangle and Bullseye reticles.
 
Chairs said:
Vortex viper pst 1-4x20 love the scope and is said to have true 1-1 so can act same as a red dot and shoot with both eyes open. My other option I haven't tried but interested in is a red dot with magnifiers
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Having struggled with this question myself, I also settled on the vortex viper PST 1-4. I have an Eotech on a different rifle, so I was seriously considering the Eotech magnifier. The magnifier was brighter, clearer and had a larger FOV then I was expecting, but for me it came down to weight and $$. The eotech and magnifier make for a heavy combo and for the combined price of both pieces I just didn't feel like it was 700$ better then the vortex 1-4.
 
After looking at many written reviews and videos, I decided on the Meprolight M21, with the Bullseye reticle.

Really the only decision I had to make was choosing the reticle; I knew the Meprolight was what I wanted, as soon as I saw it.
 
Everyone is quick to raise their prices with the tanking Canadian dollar but they will never lower their prices once the Canadian dollar goes back up. Everyone thought the lower fuel costs were great. Until we got @#$%#$ with 30% cost increase on everything. Then once fuel prices go back up, businesses will once again raise their prices as it will, "cost more to ship." At least give us some free lube whenever we purchase something. God Damn.
 
The 1.5-5x24 Leupold MR/T is a good choice. They're on the top end of your price range new, but they come with a BDC elevation adjustment for 62 grain 5.56, so that works well with the Tavor. Sometimes you can find them used for around a grand.
 
Demonical said:
After looking at many written reviews and videos, I decided on the Meprolight M21, with the Bullseye reticle.

Really the only decision I had to make was choosing the reticle; I knew the Meprolight was what I wanted, as soon as I saw it.
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No question,if I had a Tavor,it would wear a M-21.....probly with the triangle reticle?IMHO,they just simply belong together....like a C7 w/Elcan,like salt & pepper,like beans & wieners.
In fact,I liked the M21 so much,I'm thinking of buying one which I really don't need at the moment,just so I'll have a legit excuse to buy a Tavor afterwards,ha!! :)
 
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