building a garand
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you can get a brand new .308 barrel from Tradex http://www.tradeexcanada.com/esquif2/
I don't know of any dealers with stripped receivers, could put a WTB in the EE.
Marstar, Districorp, Numrich, Western Gunparts, Ebay, and EE here for all the little parts.
I don't know of any dealers with stripped receivers, could put a WTB in the EE.
Marstar, Districorp, Numrich, Western Gunparts, Ebay, and EE here for all the little parts.
Coyote Ugly
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_CCCP_ said:
Unless you can find all the parts "dirt cheap" and locally with no expense (ie: shipping expenses, insurance, duty, tax, gas, gun show admission and parking, etc) it might be more economical to just buy a complete Garand rifle. Sometimes the sum of the parts($$$) is more than a rifle.
Parts on eBay don't usually come cheap if that's your major source.
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Hey _CCCP_, let us know how it goes with the build. I find the prices for Garands to be ridiculous, yeah I know, supply and demand...yadda yadda... I think that after a receiver is found, the rest of the parts could be found easily. Take your time, with patience you will find what you need. Good Luck!
Been there, done that, got the Visa bill !!!!! I bought one of those imported Korean junkers that were brought into the country about 10 years ago. First time I ever seen a .30-06 smoothbore.
By the time I got it functioning properly, I had invested $1,400.00 (cdn). Yep was that a dumb idea. Between replacement parts, shipping, exchange, gunsmiths, etc your money will be better spent on buying a good rifle from someone else. It got to a point, that I had invested sooooooo much money, that I just had to finish the rebuild to get a portion of my money out of it.
By the time I got it functioning properly, I had invested $1,400.00 (cdn). Yep was that a dumb idea. Between replacement parts, shipping, exchange, gunsmiths, etc your money will be better spent on buying a good rifle from someone else. It got to a point, that I had invested sooooooo much money, that I just had to finish the rebuild to get a portion of my money out of it.
maple_leaf_eh
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Ten years ago Garands were sold for $150 by Lever Arms in Vancouver. (Note to self - get in the Wayback Machine with money stuffed in pants' pockets.) He had them because Clinton's gun laws forbid return of military-style firearms. Some US sharpies bought rifles in Canada to strip the parts off, and left the receivers in Canada. There are plenty of internet rumours what happened to those receivers. And, parts have always been scarce in Canada because of the US hunger of all things USGI. Marstar and Districorp may or may not have even a limited selection of one of everything.
When you get your parts, you will learn they all have drawing numbers, dates or maker's marks. Chances are good that they will function, but depending on your receiver, they are almost all going to be wrong. For example, US GI parts and Italian parts should not be on the same gun - unless the historic provenance of the receiver permits. And, will you know enough about what you bought to recognize a 100% worn out part from a 100% New Old Stock?
When you get your parts, you will learn they all have drawing numbers, dates or maker's marks. Chances are good that they will function, but depending on your receiver, they are almost all going to be wrong. For example, US GI parts and Italian parts should not be on the same gun - unless the historic provenance of the receiver permits. And, will you know enough about what you bought to recognize a 100% worn out part from a 100% New Old Stock?
There are a couple of good books out there that tell you all you need to know about putting a Garand together.
The one by Scott Duff comes to mind(can't remember the exact title right now, something like the Garand owners manual or something).
Good luck with your project.
Remember we want pictures..
The one by Scott Duff comes to mind(can't remember the exact title right now, something like the Garand owners manual or something).
Good luck with your project.
Remember we want pictures..
OneBarfly
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Marstar had Breda receivers. Have you checked with them? As Hizy mentioned Tradeex for other parts. Also Districorp.
BTW you will often find a mixture of Italian and USGI parts on Breda or PB issued Danish M1's
BTW you will often find a mixture of Italian and USGI parts on Breda or PB issued Danish M1's
It's doable, but not cost effective. Like Garand says it'll cost you more than buying one.
"...Clinton's gun laws forbid return of military-style firearms..." That wasn't Clinton. The U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968 banned the return of any Lend/Lease Act firearms.
"...Clinton's gun laws forbid return of military-style firearms..." That wasn't Clinton. The U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968 banned the return of any Lend/Lease Act firearms.
I wouldn't even bother with Marstar. They might list parts for sale but 10 to 1 odds say that what they have listed they don't have in stock. I saw this because I've tried to buy M1 carbine parts and SMLE parts from them that they have listed on their site, none of which were available.
Building a Garand
Nowadays the sum of the parts is greater than the whole rifle. It will take approx $800 to gather all of the servicable parts. You will pay even more if you attempt to build a "correct" rifle with all parts matching by manufacturer or date.You will then be confronted with the need (and additional costs) to re-parkerize a lot of the parts,re-finish the wood to military appearance(good stocks and handguards are a bear to find).After having the parts ready to go, you then require a barrel vice and receiver wrench to assemble these 2 components.This is done in connection with special alignment fixtures on the rear sight area of the receiver and the front sight area of the gas cylinder to ensure proper indexing. A set of headspace gauges, and perhaps a pull-thru finishing reamer, will also be necessary to establish correct headspace. These specialized tools and fixtures will cost a further $600 or so,and are really not an economical investment unless you plan to build a number of rifles. After assembling the rifle,you will also need a number of spare critical components to ensure proper fit and functioning by selective assembly-bullet guides,followers,clip latches,follower arm pins,operating rod catches,extractors,perhaps an extra bolt,etc. You may even need to have the operating rod re-bent to ensure smooth functioning. I have done all of the above many times over the yrs as a hobby, and I can assure you that it is not a cheap one. It is also hard to find some expertise to help,and you will need to learn by doing with the benefit of comprehensive references,such as the Kuhnhausen shop manual and military tech manuals.Even though prices for M1s may appear high today,buying a complete rifle in sound condition is probably still a more economical way to go.
Nowadays the sum of the parts is greater than the whole rifle. It will take approx $800 to gather all of the servicable parts. You will pay even more if you attempt to build a "correct" rifle with all parts matching by manufacturer or date.You will then be confronted with the need (and additional costs) to re-parkerize a lot of the parts,re-finish the wood to military appearance(good stocks and handguards are a bear to find).After having the parts ready to go, you then require a barrel vice and receiver wrench to assemble these 2 components.This is done in connection with special alignment fixtures on the rear sight area of the receiver and the front sight area of the gas cylinder to ensure proper indexing. A set of headspace gauges, and perhaps a pull-thru finishing reamer, will also be necessary to establish correct headspace. These specialized tools and fixtures will cost a further $600 or so,and are really not an economical investment unless you plan to build a number of rifles. After assembling the rifle,you will also need a number of spare critical components to ensure proper fit and functioning by selective assembly-bullet guides,followers,clip latches,follower arm pins,operating rod catches,extractors,perhaps an extra bolt,etc. You may even need to have the operating rod re-bent to ensure smooth functioning. I have done all of the above many times over the yrs as a hobby, and I can assure you that it is not a cheap one. It is also hard to find some expertise to help,and you will need to learn by doing with the benefit of comprehensive references,such as the Kuhnhausen shop manual and military tech manuals.Even though prices for M1s may appear high today,buying a complete rifle in sound condition is probably still a more economical way to go.
You can definately build a shooter garand for less then the $800 they sell for on here......there are lots of shops with reasonable priced parts.
Your main costs come from the trigger group, barrel, op-rod, and stock, that can run you $300 right there. The rest is gravy though, small parts are pretty cheap if you look around, receivers can be found for under $50 if you look around. Get a subscription to "access to firearms", gives you a good listing of all the gunshops in canada.
Your main costs come from the trigger group, barrel, op-rod, and stock, that can run you $300 right there. The rest is gravy though, small parts are pretty cheap if you look around, receivers can be found for under $50 if you look around. Get a subscription to "access to firearms", gives you a good listing of all the gunshops in canada.
Here is what my rifle cost:
Breda Receiver: free
Breda complete trigger group: 50 bucks
Krieger Criterion Garand 30-06 Barrel: 96 bucks NIW
Breda Stock set: 127 bucks NIW from Italy
Op-Rod Breda: 23 bucks
All the other bits: ~190 bucks
It pays to shop around and catch crazy deals like I got on the Krieger barrel.
Breda Receiver: free
Breda complete trigger group: 50 bucks
Krieger Criterion Garand 30-06 Barrel: 96 bucks NIW
Breda Stock set: 127 bucks NIW from Italy
Op-Rod Breda: 23 bucks
All the other bits: ~190 bucks
It pays to shop around and catch crazy deals like I got on the Krieger barrel.
OneBarfly
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I can't believe the ignorance of some people here - It seems to be getting worse. Unless you are an idiot, you can build a Garand for around $700.00. Somebody give me 700.00 and I will send you a parts kit - all parts will be serviceable (don't expect it to be NOS) Hell, I will even screw on a used barrel for you. All others can STFU
Edited: Sorry, I must have forgot to take my meds today
. The dog bit me before my first coffee. I think that my wife is considering leaving me. For the life of me I don't know why Where was I? Oh yeah, much better now. Not kidding about the offer - send me money!!!.....
Edited: Sorry, I must have forgot to take my meds today
. The dog bit me before my first coffee. I think that my wife is considering leaving me. For the life of me I don't know why Where was I? Oh yeah, much better now. Not kidding about the offer - send me money!!!.....
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Coyote Ugly
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OneBarfly said:
Let's face the fact, no one is going to strip a Garand unless it's well over 99% gone and shot to ####. Would you take a Special Select Grade Danish SA or Winchester Garand or Breda and strip it down? Those parts rate closer to NOS than just serviceable. Doubtful it would be stripped.
With serviceable parts, what are you really getting, or are you just getting a junker Garand from the $100 rack (and those weren't worth taking home) from about 10 years ago, or something of lesser value?
What's your price for a Garand with NOS parts?
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OneBarfly
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Coyote Ugly said:
Coyote Ugly said:Ah yeah...whatever. I didn't strip *anything*. These are parts (including stripped Breda receivers) that I have accumulated over years. I have about 7 or 8 in total (lost count). Here's a pic of a few of them.
Junk - no, me thinks not. and no, they are not for sale, unless you want the aforementioned kit.
sold a couple of these:
Here's one I finished and sold
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OneBarfly
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Seeing how i double tapped, I might as well add something here. Is it me or is someone not make any sense? What part of I dont strip out M1 Garands don't you get? Yes, I have actually completed some guns and sold them - that was not the point: The point being that parts could be cobbled togther for less than what some people are selling complete guns for.
_CCCP_ sorry for all the stupidity in this thread to which I have contributed. If you need a hand with your M1 project, please feel free to PM me. I have tools if you need help.
_CCCP_ sorry for all the stupidity in this thread to which I have contributed. If you need a hand with your M1 project, please feel free to PM me. I have tools if you need help.
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OneBarfly
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The hypothesis is that many of the Danish receivers that were commonly available in Canada were stripped down by the importer in the 1990's to sell as "parts kits" in the United States/
htt_p://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/Danish.htm
From the CMP: "The kits that are advertised are coming out of Canada, a Danish Import/Export Co. called Top Mark purchased all the remaining rifles, U.S. made, Beretta and Breda. Topmark sold them to a Canadian company that stripped the parts for sale in the U.S."
So, does this make more sense to you now Ugly? Maybe you are thinking that I bulged all of the barrels on the original rifles and then had to strip them down
As it concerns using a gunsmith ONLY to do a rebarreling, it is not nesesary provided that the correct tools are used and that someone has the expirence (Thanks Hungry). It was too bad that someone got burned by somebody else who didn't know what they were doing, but this does not mean that it’s a gunsmith only proposition.
The hypothesis is that many of the Danish receivers that were commonly available in Canada were stripped down by the importer in the 1990's to sell as "parts kits" in the United States/
htt_p://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/Danish.htm
From the CMP: "The kits that are advertised are coming out of Canada, a Danish Import/Export Co. called Top Mark purchased all the remaining rifles, U.S. made, Beretta and Breda. Topmark sold them to a Canadian company that stripped the parts for sale in the U.S."
So, does this make more sense to you now Ugly? Maybe you are thinking that I bulged all of the barrels on the original rifles and then had to strip them down
As it concerns using a gunsmith ONLY to do a rebarreling, it is not nesesary provided that the correct tools are used and that someone has the expirence (Thanks Hungry). It was too bad that someone got burned by somebody else who didn't know what they were doing, but this does not mean that it’s a gunsmith only proposition.
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