I love my 1-4, at 630 yards.
If I can see my miss, I'm using enough scope
.That said, I'd like to mount my 10-50 for a day, just to see if I can improve. I'd never disgrace my Sightron like that though. The gun isn't worthy
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Building a more accurate XCR-L
- Thread starter RedNeckPlumber
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I love my 1-4, at 630 yards.
If I can see my miss, I'm using enough scope
.That said, I'd like to mount my 10-50 for a day, just to see if I can improve. I'd never disgrace my Sightron like that though. The gun isn't worthy
.Your groups show nothing other than a couple lucky shots with random hits around the same area. Those show me the gun/shooter combination is good for about 200 maybe 300 yards maximum on paper and not much more than 100 yards if you plan to shoot an animal with it in which case your 10x optic is plenty. That 10x will take you out to 500-600 yards which is beyond what your rifle is capable of shooting and printing any kind of groups on paper. If you can hit steel gongs 18 inches across at 500 yards you're doing really well with an XCR.
You don't shoot 4 or 5 rounds and then pick the best 3 and call it a group, shoot five 5 round groups and count them all and show us what you and your rifle can do. Make it four 5 round groups just to be nice and only cost you one box of ammo to prove your rifle's accuracy.
Don't be upset, the XCR-L is not and never has been know for great accuracy, it's a great rifle once you accept that it's a fun civilian battle rifle that get's the accuracy it was designed to get which is around 3 moa consistently sometimes 4 moa if the shooter needs to improve.
Have fun with your rifle and if you're going to show us targets don't show a target with 9 holes in it with 3 of them circled and call it a group.
maybe i wasn't clear enough. i shot other groups and adjusted. i then shot other groups with no adjustments. the AE group is after my last adjustment. Do you really think i just circled rounds that i thought were good? lmao...seriously?
Your pictures of groups are confusing. Once you achive "sight-in", take a clean target and print some groups of 5 AT LEAST. 10 would be better. All this of course, only to satisfy the neigh-Sayers.
As I stated before: my xcr shoots 2" with 55gr AE ammo ALL DAY long. I CAN get an MOA group, Or two but only from luck/chance. When using Norc or other "poor-quality" ammo, my groups open up to 3" or more.
As I stated before: my xcr shoots 2" with 55gr AE ammo ALL DAY long. I CAN get an MOA group, Or two but only from luck/chance. When using Norc or other "poor-quality" ammo, my groups open up to 3" or more.
5 rounds is plenty to provide insight on a rifles accuracy. Anyone who discounts a 5 round group on the basis that it's not enough rounds is looking for an excuse to disregard the accuracy of said rifle.
I'm by no means a skilled shot, but I've fed mine several boxes of V-Max lately and I'm consistently getting pretty darn close to sub-moa with my XCR, a skilled shot with a good load would likely break that barrier quite easily. Certain people (further up, not you eatredmeat157) participating in this thread who denounce the accuracy of semi-auto's should spend more time getting familiar with their rifles than making claims online of what others are capable of. I don't think too many XCR owners are under the illusion they purchased a precision rifle, however that doesn't mean that they should not strive to achieve better than the naysayers will claim possible, when several people have already proved them to be blowing smoke.
I'm by no means a skilled shot, but I've fed mine several boxes of V-Max lately and I'm consistently getting pretty darn close to sub-moa with my XCR, a skilled shot with a good load would likely break that barrier quite easily. Certain people (further up, not you eatredmeat157) participating in this thread who denounce the accuracy of semi-auto's should spend more time getting familiar with their rifles than making claims online of what others are capable of. I don't think too many XCR owners are under the illusion they purchased a precision rifle, however that doesn't mean that they should not strive to achieve better than the naysayers will claim possible, when several people have already proved them to be blowing smoke.
Ive ran only iron sights. With mediocre ammo. 2-4 inch groups. Im sure with a nice 12x optic, good ammo and proper sand bag rests I could bang out consistently 2 inch groups. I don't know about 1 yet as I have been un able to with my current equip. Im a see it done and believe it kind of guy. Internet groupings I will never take serious. Need to see it done in person or on video.
I know I am capable of shooting 1 inch groups and under, have with bolt guns. Would be very surprised (pleasantly) if this gun could with a good optic, ammo and rest consistently shoot under 2 inches.
I've witnessed these things shoot. I've shot them myself. I've 'been there done that' - not just from a bench at 100yds. Dynamic and static shooting from 10 to +500m, and everything in between. In every case, they came nowhere close to the claimed performance guys on this site make. Take that for what it's worth....
lol I crank it on till it cant be turned n e more with just hand power... no effects negative or positive on accuracy
I'm not trying to denounce semi auto's being capable of shooting sub moa, I have a few that will do it easily. I am saying that showing a target with 9 holes in it and 3 close together circled shows nothing. That would be like me taking my 12 gauge with #4 shot and shooting at paper 25 yards away then circling the 3 closest holes. What does that prove? Nothing.
I've owned or at least shot pretty much every semi auto 223 available to the Canadian public and at least 4 XCR's from gen 1 through to the last ones before the keymod and none of the XCR's were capable of less than 2 moa with any of the ammo we used.
I did watch my buddy shoot 4-6 moa mag after mag with Norinco garbage drop his groups down to 3-4 moa after I gave him a box of 55gr dirtybird. This shows me that with some better quality ammo the rifle may be capable of getting under 2 moa and maybe 1.5 moa with handloads.
Spend more time getting familiar with their rifles? I shoot thousands of rounds a year through my ACR and 5 AR's. I also shoot my 308win and 338 Lapua out to over 1000 yards and have a 223 bolt action with carbon fiber barrel that will shoot 0.5 moa with my handloads so while I don't consider myself to be some super sniper I have enough time behind the triggers of many different rifles to know how to shoot well.
I've yet to see a single person on this site show a couple 5 round groups shot one after another from an XCR-L that group better than 2-3 moa. There are always flyers or as we've just seen messy targets with holes scattered all over the place and a few close shots that they claim are a group.
Want to silence the nay sayers? Show some real proof that the rifle is capable of shooting better. You can claim whatever you want but until people see proof they're going to go with what they've seen the rifle do personally.
I said it earlier, it's a great rifle but it's no DMR that's for sure. The latest keymod model rifles sounds like guys are getting better groups but I haven't seen any proof of it yet in the for of legitimate targets with a couple small groups shot consecutively.
Enjoy your rifle for what it is, a nice non restricted 223 semi auto that is capable of banging gongs out to 300 yards without much effort and can swap to a couple different calibers if you want. I would be very interested to see what one of these in 6.8SPC is capable of doing, it could make for an excellent deer rifle in that chambering.
I have got a little bit of background in rifle shooting. THis won't be a pissing contest though. Anyhow, like I said before, after I made my final adjustments, I took my last 3 and 4 shots with different ammo. I was not going to run downrange. I could patch the old holes from sighting in and the other calibres, and then post another picture of the target. LOL.
exactly. With my testing in the savage and XCR , the hornady superformance 53gr is a really good factory round. I shot with Norc surplus and the groups were a blah. My rifle did not like the Winchester ballistic silver tip, or the Fed 64gr JSP . I am under no illusions of what this rifle is, but I would not be afraid to push it out to much longer distances. (350+).
I have to be honest, I think I would perform better prone with this rifle. I could not really get comfortable sitting at the bench. When I was 10- 13, we almost always shot prone at the IVI/ DCRA? series of targets for rimfire with iron sights. That being said,..this gun is a different beast with the optics... I could see my crosshairs moving more on the target as my heart was causing it to wander a bit. I have the new style stock on my XCR, and I don't feel it helps with anything. The older style folding stock felt more comfortable to shoot.
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Wow!!!! I think I'd like to give that a shot, I'm guessing around 700-800$?
