Building an Ar-10 to be non-restricted

45ACPKING said:
why do people have to always chime in with thier legal opinion when the thread is about ar-10 type rifles. Who gives a flyin fug about making sure his range is legal..... that's his business not ours.

cripes we have so many fuggen internet police lately.... lighten up folks geesh.

so about the AR-10 type rifles..... I'm still a bit confused on what AR-10 rifle is non restricted in canada..... I think it is the original stoner creations and when armalite bought out stoner , at least i think that's how it goes..... The armalite AR10 was classified restricted.
As was mentioned by others that know more than me..... other manufacturers of large frame AR type rifles might not have submitted for a non restricted FRT simply because they saw the armalite was already classified restricted.
Stag-10 is the first large frame rifle from the states that submitted for non restricted and lo and behold they got it.

I would hands down recommend a stag-10 , go see arms east and give them your money
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I saw this a while ago:

https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/stag-arms-stag-10-upper-lower-build-kit-w-lpk.html

And was operating under the assumption of "if there's one there must be more" honestly, I'm just in love with the look of the milled receivers, and the fact most don't have forward assists (I've always thought it was dumb for civilian rifles to have them since we clean our rifles often enough for them to be pointless.)
 
The other relatively available option is a BCL 102. Lots of opinions about it. I have shot a friend's 102. It worked well enough. Accuracy was OK. Fun to shoot.
BCL claims to have undergone a restructuring of their operation. Maybe the newest 102s might be problem free.
I'd personally be inclined toward the Stag. It is my understanding that the factory warranty applies to factory rifles.
 
Gruhler said:
Anyone know if this set would be NR?

https://ctcsupplies.ca/rainier-arms-ultramatch-ar10-billet-upper-ambi-lower-combo-set-308-mod-3/
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Understand that while the basic AR10 design is NR due to it pre-dating the AR15, most are considered to be scaled up AR15's in the RCMP's eyes (due to a combination of marketing materials and some physical specs) and as such are restricted. As of this point the only 2 NR modern AR10 pattern rifles are the BCL102 and the Stag10, others may come in the future if they are properly marketed and importer and manufacture properly plead their case to the RCMP lab. A similar AR10 like NR platform would be the ATRS Modern Hunter, although it does have some internal specs and reciever design changes that differentiate it further from an AR more than the likes of the BCL102 or Stag10.

For AR15 sized platforms, there is no NR version of an AR15, however ATRS offers the Modern Sporter and MDI offers the SLR which are proprietary designs to use all AR parts except for AR receivers themselves. This makes them AR-like in function, ergonomics, and appearance with out wearing the dunce hat that is restricted status.
 
onetwentyish said:
Understand that while the basic AR10 design is NR due to it pre-dating the AR15, most are considered to be scaled up AR15's in the RCMP's eyes (due to a combination of marketing materials and some physical specs) and as such are restricted. As of this point the only 2 NR modern AR10 pattern rifles are the BCL102 and the Stag10, others may come in the future if they are properly marketed and importer and manufacture properly plead their case to the RCMP lab. A similar AR10 like NR platform would be the ATRS Modern Hunter, although it does have some internal specs and reciever design changes that differentiate it further from an AR more than the likes of the BCL102 or Stag10.

For AR15 sized platforms, there is no NR version of an AR15, however ATRS offers the Modern Sporter and MDI offers the SLR which are proprietary designs to use all AR parts except for AR receivers themselves. This makes them AR-like in function, ergonomics, and appearance with out wearing the dunce hat that is restricted status.
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Looks like I need to get into the AR-10 manufacturing business, bit of an under-supplied market.
 
Gruhler said:
Looks like I need to get into the AR-10 manufacturing business, bit of an under-supplied market.
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The NR AR market is, but its not with-out reason. Main one is that the US market isn't open for us to sell into and that we are such a miniscule market that it's not worth most US based manufacturers the extreme lengths required to get a favorable canadian status.

And if you are not producing receivers using a forging process (stupid high initial out lay that results in stupid mass production and low prices) than milling billet is your only and very expensive/time consuming option.

It really isn't as simple as it sounds and we are lucky to have the options we do.
 
onetwentyish said:
Consider your options closer. I have one BCL and 3 Stag. There is a reason for that ratio.
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Might be the reason I'm having a hard time finding a BCL set online.

I still have to save up the $$ to make the buy, so I have plenty of time to compare the two... Just wish there was a way to remove the forward assist... I really don't understand why they're included on civilian rifles... So dumb.
 
Gruhler said:
Probably going to go with the BCL because it has the stuff I want (flared magwell, modern styling) and none of the stuff I don't. (forward assist)
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Based on the discussion on this forum, the 102 may have things that you don't want, like inconsistent quality control. A used 102, which has performed well, might be an option. A new series 102 (being made available through North Silva) might also be an option. But there are no reports yet about these.
 
tiriaq said:
Based on the discussion on this forum, the 102 may have things that you don't want, like inconsistent quality control. A used 102, which has performed well, might be an option. A new series 102 (being made available through North Silva) might also be an option. But there are no reports yet about these.
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So they've lemoned themselves out of the Canadian market... Bit Darwinian...
 
The new production rifles to be marketed through North Sylva are supposed to put past problems behind them.
The 102 I tried worked well. From my reading, inconsistent quality control was the problem. An AR type rifle is a sophisticated piece of machinery. Manufacturing a quality product is challenging.
 
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