Building an Ar-10 to be non-restricted

Cbf123 said:
Doesn't the ATRS Modern Sporter have a decent reputation?
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I've got no doubt it it, *but* the upper / lower are proprietary, which render the whole point of an AR pretty moot. Same goes with Kodiak / MacDef. I don't see Canadian manufacturer uniting behind a standard platform, they're all selling proprietary solutions and getting a few bucks for the NR. The STAG-10 is as close as you can get from a standard form factor, without paying the NR-tax.

As for BCL, their quality control is sh*t, and there has been report of incompatibilities between their upper and standard brownells BCG...
 
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tiriaq said:
An AR type rifle is a sophisticated piece of machinery. Manufacturing a quality product is challenging.
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No, it is *not*. South of the border, people are manufacturing lowers in their home shop, including the original casting, without fancy CNC or DRO... Heck, some are even 3D-printing lowers on non-manufacturing grade printers...

The only reason Canadian products suck because everybody decided to go their own way to lock customers in, and all have to go through the whole design refinement on their own.
 
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45ACPKING said:
I would hands down recommend a stag-10 , go see arms east and give them your money
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Actually, try to avoid Arms East as much as possible. They were hand-down the worst business I've had to deal with for my build... I'm still waiting for them to call me back...

edit: not to be overly negative, I've had best experiences with Calgary Shooting Centre (receiver kit), RDSC (buffer tube), Maple Ridge Armory (upper accessories), Brownells (BCG / stock), and... ahem... CanAm. Arms East is second last to Wolverines (outright blacklisted) on my list of companies to do business with.
 
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essorx said:
Actually, try to avoid Arms East as much as possible. They were hand-down the worst business I've had to deal with for my build... I'm still waiting for them to call me back...

edit: not to be overly negative, I've had best experiences with Calgary Shooting Centre (receiver kit), RDSC (buffer tube), Maple Ridge Armory (upper accessories), Brownells (BCG / stock), and... ahem... CanAm. Arms East is second last to Wolverines (outright blacklisted) on my list of companies to do business with.
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Strange, arms east has been very good to me, maybe you should call them ?
I agree about wolverine though, not going to see another dollar from me.


Are the stag10’s accurate and reliable?
 
essorx said:
No, it is *not*. South of the border, people are manufacturing lowers in their home shop, including the original casting, without fancy CNC or DRO... Heck, some are even 3D-printing lowers on non-manufacturing grade printers...

The only reason Canadian products suck because everybody decided to go their own way to lock customers in, and all have to go through the whole design refinement on their own.
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The is a difference between cobbling something together in a home shop, or producing unreliable, poor quality junk, and engaging in series production of high quality rifles.
 
Gruhler said:
Might be the reason I'm having a hard time finding a BCL set online.

I still have to save up the $$ to make the buy, so I have plenty of time to compare the two... Just wish there was a way to remove the forward assist... I really don't understand why they're included on civilian rifles... So dumb.
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The forward assist comes in handy when quietly closing the action with the charging handle, like when you are hunting. Sometimes the extractor doesn't snap over the rim with just buffer spring pressure. I suppose you could push the BCG with your thumb from the ejection port but the forward assist is easier. I like it :).
 
tiriaq said:
The is a difference between cobbling something together in a home shop, or producing unreliable, poor quality junk, and engaging in series production of high quality rifles.
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Come on, people have been building guns for ~150 years without the tooling available to modern commercial producers. Heck, war (including world war) have been fought with guns manufactured in shops less equipped that today's home hobbyist. On top of that, AR derivatives are 50 years old, that's pretty ancient tech.
 
essorx said:
Actually, try to avoid Arms East as much as possible. They were hand-down the worst business I've had to deal with for my build... I'm still waiting for them to call me back...

edit: not to be overly negative, I've had best experiences with Calgary Shooting Centre (receiver kit), RDSC (buffer tube), Maple Ridge Armory (upper accessories), Brownells (BCG / stock), and... ahem... CanAm. Arms East is second last to Wolverines (outright blacklisted) on my list of companies to do business with.
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you don't hear that very often about wolverine. must be a good story there?
 
rifleman762 said:
The forward assist comes in handy when quietly closing the action with the charging handle, like when you are hunting. Sometimes the extractor doesn't snap over the rim with just buffer spring pressure. I suppose you could push the BCG with your thumb from the ejection port but the forward assist is easier. I like it :).
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I don't think the original AR-10s had a forward assist. I remember reading that much to Stoner's reluctance the forward assist was added to later AR-10 and AR-15 variants as a result of a request by the US Army. Although I was initially on board with the forward assist, I found that in actual practice it can make some malfunctions worse and the same closing of the bolt can be done by placing one's thumb in the cut in bolt carrier group visible from the ejection port. The forward assist adds weight (ounces equal pounds), can make certain malfunctions worse, the "silent" closing can be done quite easily with one's thumb and the profile is it a bit slicker without it. To each their own, but this is how I see it.
 
Gruhler said:
FRT#? Excuse my ignorance, but what is that?
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Firearms Reference Table number (FRT) is issued by RCMP for every approved firearm model in Canada for all classifications - Restricted, NR, Prohib, antique. No firearm can be legally built, sold, or imported until it has an FRT number. A new make or model firearm must be submitted to the RCMP for testing and after some months or years they will issue an FRT# for it. The FRT has been the way it is for about 25 years so funny you haven't heard of it before.
 
The FaRT is a massive catalogue of all firearms and variations thereof.
There is no legal requirement for a firearm to be FaRTed.
For example, if a craftsman builds a custom rifle, there is no obligation to obtain a FaRT number for the rifle.
If a registered firearm is being entered into the system, or being transferred, a FaRT entry is used by the CFP to identify the thing. The registration or transfer won't proceed until a FaRT number is assigned. But that is not the same as a FaRT number being a legal requirement.
 
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