Built the perfect do all rifle?

So youd pack a spare scope? Interesting...

Yeah I'd have a 1.5-5x20 on it for walking around, a 3.5-10x40 if the animal is around 200 yards, and if a long shot is on the table I would dig through my pack and grab something like a 4-24x56 with turrents
 
Yeah I'd have a 1.5-5x20 on it for walking around, a 3.5-10x40 if the animal is around 200 yards, and if a long shot is on the table I would dig through my pack and grab something like a 4-24x56 with turrents

Where is the 6X fixed? I thought that replaced all of those listed and also a red dot and iron sights too...
 
Yeah I'd have a 1.5-5x20 on it for walking around, a 3.5-10x40 if the animal is around 200 yards, and if a long shot is on the table I would dig through my pack and grab something like a 4-24x56 with turrents

Excellent advice, do you carry different loads aswell?
 
Please share all your disagreements on why this isn’t the perfect do all North American hunting rifle.

Action - Stiller Predator, Stiller rail
Barrel - 24” Benchmark #3 5R 8 twist, fluted
Trigger- Trigger Tech Primary
Bottom Metal/Mags- HS Precision
Stock-Manners EH3, carbon fiber
Scope - Zeiss Conquest 2-10x42 RZ600
Cartridge-168gr Barnes LRX, 66.5 gr Retumbo, Nosler 7mm Rem Mag Brass

I was looking for a more traditional looking rifle, nothing too flashy.
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I wanted to be able to take game out to 500 yards, and light enough I could pack, but still enough weight it wasn’t too difficult to control. I was aiming for the 8.5-9lb range. I wanted a cartridge that I could find everywhere, just in case. (So no 280AI, even though it “gets 7mag velocity”... bs)
Must be lead free bullets, I’m not a fan of the lead fragments in my food, whether it’s a health risk to my family and myself or not.
So that really left me with two options, shoot the 7mm 168g Barnes LRX or the .308 200g LRX. Although the 30 cal would be better for long shots, I believe it is over kill for smaller sized game like southern whitetails and pronghorns at closer ranges. The 7mm is more than adequate for 500 yards on all game in the right circumstances. 95% of my shots are taken sub 300 yards any way, this is a do all rifle that is capable of 500 yard shots, not a specific long range build. The 7mm Rem Mag is the best cartridge that fit my criteria. 300 Win or WSM we’re the runner ups.
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I do my fair share of long rage precision shooting, dialing and doping are not a problem for me, but it’s slow and not something I dont want to be doing when the heart is racing. For hunting I prefer fast and simple, no target turrets, no parallax adjustment. The Rapid Z 600 is not designed for magnums, but my plan was to ensure my velocity was right at the sweet spot so my magnification was maxed at 10x to have the BDC reticle lined up with my trajectory, it worked out perfect. No struggling in low light to ensure your on the right magnification, just twist all the way to the left. I did not like any other BDC scopes as the RZ 600 is the only one I could find that has the distances on the reticle, so there is no counting lines. This easy to use BDC paired with my ranging binoculars the Vortex Fury HD 5000, make for an extremely fast combo.
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With a velocity and BC of 2945 FPS and Litz G7 of .256, in the worst of weather conditions I will hunt in (-3000 DA) the bullet will impact with 2000+FPS and 1500+ ft-lbs out to 500 yards. With just +/- 2.25” difference in drop from -3000 up to 7000 DA if zeroed around 2000. Test loads at 66.5 gr Retumbo put 4 at .6” at 100 yards, I brought that straight out to 500, and it put three under 5”.
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Curious who you used to import the Manners stock? Contemplating one for my next rifle/build.
 
The perfect rifle is whatever you feel works best for you.
For some people that could be a savage axis with a cheapo scope that they use once or twice a year to shoot a deer.
For someone else it could mean a $10k custom rifle package because they have the coin and don’t mind spending it.
For me I found that a tikka T3 Hunter in 30-06 with a leupold 3-10x40 scope was perfect.
Some of my buddies won’t go below a magnum calibre while others swear by 243 calibre.
If you’re happy with it and it suits your needs the best way possible then that’s perfect.
 
The perfect rifle is whatever you feel works best for you.
For some people that could be a savage axis with a cheapo scope that they use once or twice a year to shoot a deer.
For someone else it could mean a $10k custom rifle package because they have the coin and don’t mind spending it.
For me I found that a tikka T3 Hunter in 30-06 with a leupold 3-10x40 scope was perfect.
Some of my buddies won’t go below a magnum calibre while others swear by 243 calibre.
If you’re happy with it and it suits your needs the best way possible then that’s perfect.

That is what people shooting a Savage Axis always say... no rifle with a "cheapo" scope is "perfect" in any sense... unless you mean in the "tomato stake" sense.
 
That is what people shooting a Savage Axis always say... no rifle with a "cheapo" scope is "perfect" in any sense... unless you mean in the "tomato stake" sense.

Well I shoot a tikka and a Sako so i wouldn’t know what people say about their savage axis. But if all they could manage financially was a savage axis and a cheap scope I sure wouldn’t run that down in anyway if it got them out hunting. It would be “perfect” for them at that point in time because any guns better than no gun if finances are tight.
I know plenty of people that put game in the freezer every season with bottom of the range budget rifles and scopes. 99% of general hunting is the Indian not the arrow, the shot is the last part of the equation and a person that has practice and experience with an axis is going to do better than a blow-hard with a $10k rifle he’s only ever shot off of a bench at 100 yards . If you’re going for long range shots on game then your experience most probably eclipsed the budget grade guns long ago and your funds obviously will dictate at what level you equip yourself.
In the bush or the mountains a savage axis will get it done just the same as a $10k rifle will within a few hundred yards.
 
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Curious who you used to import the Manners stock? Contemplating one for my next rifle/build.

From Bighorn sales. It took a while, 10 months I think, this was before covid. I’m really happy with it, before this I was shooting Sako Finnlights, they really hopped and hard to control the recoil. This manners has nice straight back recoil, still hops a bit but nothing like those Sakos. Plus this rifle ejects every case! Unlike the POS Sakos.
 
While this rifle is perfect for the OP, hunters in different environments may find it lacking; for that reason one should be careful when declaring any rifle "perfect," despite the fact that it excels in the circumstances it was designed for. It is a well thought out and executed open country rifle, but in 10 years the OP's tastes and priorities might change. So much for perfection.

The Remington Magnum version of the 7mm is not a cartridge that grabs me, but it has advantages that cannot be denied. Due to it's conservative powder capacity, the 7mm RM is fairly mild mannered particularly when compared to other magnums, and when its discovered that your ammo didn't make it into your pack, its the one magnum cartridge most frequently carried in rural hardware stores. I think the ammo carrier, on the butt is a mistake. The carrier prevents the rifle from being used ambidextrously, a consideration too often ignored IMHO, but even when fired from the strong side, it can move your face off the centerline of the rifle. Because its soft, it will change shape over time, or perhaps even at different temperatures. If you need a higher comb, a stock with an adjustable comb is a better solution, and there are many better options for carrying spare ammunition.

The rifle has a clean classic appearance, it shoots, and the scope has a useful range of magnification. However, like many modern variable power scopes, the eye piece is very long, which becomes a mounting problem if the LOP is on the short side. Can a high angle shot from sitting be made without having to worry about getting hit? I like the Pic rail, which provides the greatest latitude for positioning the scope on the rifle. The rifle is short enough to be handy while maintaining a good balance. The barrel is long enough to optimize the velocity of the cartridge, but not so long as to make the rifle ungainly. I'm fairly ambivalent about the bi-pod since it is not a permanent fixture. While its useful, use it, should it becomes a nuisance, it can be quickly removed.
 
Well I shoot a tikka and a Sako so i wouldn’t know what people say about their savage axis. But if all they could manage financially was a savage axis and a cheap scope I sure wouldn’t run that down in anyway if it got them out hunting. It would be “perfect” for them at that point in time because any guns better than no gun if finances are tight.
I know plenty of people that put game in the freezer every season with bottom of the range budget rifles and scopes. 99% of general hunting is the Indian not the arrow, the shot is the last part of the equation and a person that has practice and experience with an axis is going to do better than a blow-hard with a $10k rifle he’s only ever shot off of a bench at 100 yards . If you’re going for long range shots on game then your experience most probably eclipsed the budget grade guns long ago and your funds obviously will dictate at what level you equip yourself.
In the bush or the mountains a savage axis will get it done just the same as a $10k rifle will within a few hundred yards.

If you change the word "perfect" to "sufficient" then I would concur... anything that gets folks into the woods or out in the field hunting is a good thing, but the words "cheap" and "perfect" do not go together.
 
Please share all your disagreements on why this isn’t the perfect do all North American hunting rifle.

Because it's too big, too powerful and too long to be a true "all rounder." It's a wonderful rifle, and just outstanding for shooting large game at medium to long range, but I'd hate to be saddled with in the mountains or eastern woodlands. I think it's too biased towards longer range open country hunting to be a true all rounder.

For a one rifle to rule them all I'd be thinking 22" barrel max, 7.5 lbs, 2.5-8 or 3-9, and in something like 7mm08 or .308...
 
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