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Folding: Troy

Fixed: Larue or Centurion Arms

ARMS is usually the most economical, but you get what you pay for. Personally, I wouldn't waste the money.

Buy cheap, buy twice.
 
Jaycee,

I admit I haven't used every BUIS on the market, and I have read KevB comments on SF not not likeing the spring action in the sand. I'm sure the KAC are great, but the #40L seems tough and we've had no complaints or returns from customers (ranging from casual plinkers to Afghan deployed CF members).

The IDF and US DOD buy them by the tens of thousands, and have extended contracts. I'm not claiming that these are the be all, end all, but 'Waste of money' is a pretty tough criticism. :eek: ;) Could you elaborate on your problems with them?

Regards,
DT
 
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The US MIL DOES NOT HAVE ANY #40 current (or 40L) contracts.

FOR CF MEMBERS -- be very careful the Diemaco upper receiver is NOT a 1913 picatinny spec - The Diemaco spec is thinner and ARMS cross bolts will mostly (mostly) not fit.

My buddy Jay's SFW
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He ended up using the craptastic Diemaco BIS - since his other BIS would not fit the "weaver" rail.
 
MATECH is a picatinny design - it is THE ONLY US ARMY ISSUE (Ever) BIS

SOCOM issues the KAC300m and KAC600m
ARMS#40's (original #40's) where on the Mk12 Mod0's that have been recalled for Mod1 (KAC'ing) and will be replaced with KAC 600m's
USN SpecWar issues the LMT
CAG and AWG issue the Troy

KAC and ARMS are on hold for BISII (kinda like RISII sitting in a holding pattern)
FN has a BIS for the Mk16 and 17 (SCAR-L and H) based on the KAC600 (Clint Lynch a designer at FN used to work for KAC)

KAC's BISII was loved by the USSOC guys -- if it ever is produced it will be a winner.


I have a rule about avoiding ARMS stuff sicne DickSwan is #1) a NAZI, #2) His 3rdtk (3rd SS) troll account on AR15
 
For the fact alone that the KAC is adjustable for elevation, it's got to be a more useful system, more than 'just' a Back Up, so to speak.

It's the lack of elevation adjustment that has me back to using an A3 carry handle (well, it's strong and looks cool too, but...).

Walt

PS: D.S. (and P L.W.) doing what they were up to on ARF.com reminds me of something a stand-up employee of a US arms manufacturer once told me, "Be careful, there's a lot of scumbags in this business".
 
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Walt,

My guess is RISII and BISII will die. Mk16 and Mk17 are in near production models. Even a lot of died in the wool M4 fan's and FN haters are coming on board now. Tango Down is doing a bunch for it -- and eventually the actually lower of the production runs.

I must admit I have had good luck with ARMS -- its just #### I have issued with personally (albiet he exchanged two broken SIR's for us).

The Paul LW stuff - yeah -- especially at the allegations he made about
1) Larry Vickers
2) Colt
3) FN
4) LMT
5) Denny - GlobalTactical/Denny's Guns
6) Dave and KAC (I dont care what he said about Reed)
7) Frank and POF...
8 - HK, my GAFF was too low to care since their customer service deserves the flak they get and more.

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I bought a set of Troy BUIS from Joe at CQBservices, just waiting for them to arrive in abit. Looking forward to putting them on.
 
dangertree said:
Jaycee,

I admit I haven't used every BUIS on the market, and I have read KevB comments on SF not not likeing the spring action in the sand. I'm sure the KAC are great, but the #40L seems tough and we've had no complaints or returns from customers (ranging from casual plinkers to Afghan deployed CF members).

The IDF and US DOD buy them by the tens of thousands, and have extended contracts. I'm not claiming that these are the be all, end all, but 'Waste of money' is a pretty tough criticism. :eek: ;) Could you elaborate on your problems with them?

Regards,
DT
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Don't read too much into ARMS' big money military contracts - it helps to have friends in high places - it helps even more if you have a product that is outclassed by others.

I'm personally not impressed with ARMS' quality. I've seen sloppy fitting scope rings and BUIS', and their throw levers are not to be trusted in my opinion - I don't like the cast levers, or the roll pins that hold them together. To date I've personally seen 2 broken ARMS throw levers (and several more posted on the web) - when it comes to throw levers, the only one you'll see on one of my rifles is a Larue. If all a rifle is going to do is sit in a safe or occasionally go to the range and fire the odd box of shells through it, ya, ARMS will probably do..... but, if there is even a slight chance that it could ever be used for something more serious, or on a high round-count course, etc, I think that there are MANY better choices available on the market. But then, I'm very particular - I'll buy an MP'd bolt over one that isn't, for example. Will the non-MP'd bolt work? Probably, but I KNOW there is less of a chance of the MP'd part going down at the wrong time. I haven't personally seen anything from ARMS that would make me want to own same - in fact it's been just the opposite.

And as Kev B has alluded to, Mr. Swan could best be classified as a very unclassy guy, and that's reason enough not to support his company. Add Mark Larue to the list of people backstabbed by ARMS. You will have to go a long way to find a man and company more supportive of the industry and men and women in uniform than Mark Larue.

My intent is not to come off as a snob here - after being bitten too many times with middle-of-the-road equipment, I now live by the "buy cheap, buy twice" motto. If I can't buy the best, I'll make do and wait until I can, therefore, in my opinion, ARMS is a waste of my money.
 
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And as Kev B has alluded to, Mr. Swan could best be classified as a very unclassy guy, and that's reason enough not to support his company. Add Mark Larue to the list of people backstabbed by ARMS. You will have to go a long way to find a man and company more supportive of the industry and men and women in uniform than Mark Larue.
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I don't know the background between Swan and Larue... but I do know that after speaking with Mark Larue for an hour or so, and then speaking with other people at Larue, that they are by far the best company I have dealt with with respect to firearms.
 
The only thing I didnt like about the LMT rear BUIS..was the fact that it was as big as a shovel... #### its huge...
 
My experience with ARMS was less than stellar when I reported to them I needed the warranty department, you could have heard a pin drop from the other side of the phone. My ARMS mount with a Aimpoint happened to take a nose dive onto a rubber mat at the range, and the lever sheared right off. If this is combat tough and you are going to have a problem exiting an APC or a G-Wagon with your rifle hitting any part of that vehicle. ARMS had me on hold for 10 minutes before the person could give me directions on how to return the mount ( still have to get around to do that). I make no special claim one way or another but for bullet proof design the only option is the LaRue mount, I have spent much time and money around these mounts, and have used them for more than casual target practise and feel confident that ARMS makes a good product but someone else has now built a better mouse trap.

gadget
 
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