Bulk Ammo Defects

Powderfinger61

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I was doing some reloading today and when i grabbed a hand full of bullets to place into the casings I came across the mutant bullet.


Anyone else ever find something like this. Im sure it was a piece that had slipped through on a Monday morning before coffee break.

.230 gr RN .45

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Never seen one myself, but it looks like it might well be a reject that slipped through. What does it weigh?
Odd looking RN's. RNFP's?
 
I got this one. I sent the company a respectful email just letting them know what I found. They sent me an apology and another box of bullets.:)

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I also sent a respectful email to the company. All i wanted was to make the company aware of quality control and expected nothing in return. What i did get that i felt is very good business is a reply email the same day. To me, that is just as good as a few replacements rounds. The person took the time to read and respond to a concern.
Im sure there are some out there that dont care for this companies product and some that enjoy using thier bullets, but I for one thank CAMPRO (Quebec)for thier response.

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Hi Mr. ######,

First thank you for the time you took to inform us on that issue.
All comments, positive or negative, are always welcomed.

Unfortunately, this is definitely a matter of quality control.
We are a relatively small company (compared to speer, hornady, etc) and our control systems still need improving.
Every time we receive an email like yours, we increase our chances to solve those kind of problem.
We were aware of that issue. Even though it's not a real solution, for the moment we actually aim for around 1008 bullets per box to partly counter this trouble.
I really hope your opinion of our products will not be too compromised by this unfortunate find. Hopefully we will somehow definitely solve the problem and you won't come across this again.
As I told you, all opinions / comments are always very valuable to us.
If in any case you would have anythings else to say, on this issue or an other, we are always glad to get feedback, positive or negative, to help us to improve our products.
Thank you your interest in our products, and thank you again for your time,

Best regards,
Virgile Patoine-Danylo
 
I discovered a fired case in a brand new bag of Winchester 338 Mag brass last week. Same headstamp as the rest but previously fired.

I cant say if it had a spent primer in it or not as I ran the entire 50 cases through a Redding neck die prior to using them and I may have decapped it in the process.

As a side note 9 out of 50 cases hit the trash can when I tried to bevel the case necks after trueing them up through the die.
Not one caseneck was close to round out of the bag and the 9 I turfed were so badly burred in the neck that I couldnt even trim off the imperfections.

Turfed the previously fired case as well when I found it prior to seating the new primer.
 
Powderfinger61 said:
... but I for one thank CAMPRO (Quebec)for thier response.

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Hi Mr. ######,

First thank you for the time you took to inform us on that issue.
All comments, positive or negative, are always welcomed.

Unfortunately, this is definitely a matter of quality control. ... Even though it's not a real solution, for the moment we actually aim for around 1008 bullets per box to partly counter this trouble.

...

Best regards,
Virgile Patoine-Danylo
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That looks like the company expects a .08% defect rate. And they admit to having less control than the Bigs.
 
They expect some to get through, anyway. I'm betting that they do not throw in those 8 just because of expected defects. Variations in the weight of the container, as well as the speed that they wish to run the feeder that loads those containers (slower would be more accurate, so err to the plus a bit), as well as a possible cumulative error due to bullet weight tolerances due to alloys, etc.

Makes perfect sense to drop a few extras into the box to ensure a satisfied customer. You could bet that almost every guy that came up one short, would have something to say about it, too.

Machine made product, running through the machines at a pretty good clip, and not 100 percent human inspected.

I think it's actually quite marvellous how few defects there are that get through.

Cheers
Trev
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
That looks like the company expects a .08% defect rate. And they admit to having less control than the Bigs.
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That would be fine by me, so long as I get at least the advertised number of good bullets and the price is right.

Some defects will always occur with any sort of mass production.
 
"...Most companies really do want to know..." Yep and most will go out of their way to make it right for you too.
"...Not one caseneck was close to round out of the bag..." It wouldn't be. Doesn't get sized in the factory. That's why new brass needs to be FL resized, checked for length and chamfered and deburred.
 
Nice response; quick, honest and forthright. Looks like a good company to do business with, not claiming perfection and explaining their methods, which take into account possible problems. Good to see.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
Yup and if you read the reply there is 1008 bullets per box not 108 :D
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oh dear.

In today's math leasson we will teach you how to calculate percentage.
To determine the defect rate of 8 defects in 1000 pieces, the following formula should be used: 8/1000*100 = percentage (defect)

8 defects out of 1008 is still a 0.8% defect rate, mr. ultimate-monkey-brain, ;)
 
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