NormB, mix a little, 25%, break free with that "Cleens" and instead of tranny fluid, about 5% Kroil, and you really have a better solution than Shooters choice or Hoppes. Better yet, just get some Wipe-Out and its accelerator. Does a pretty good jub, and maybe nees a repeat or two on Barnes' or Nosler bullets but sure is easier on the elbow grease and time spent at the bench cleaning. bearhunter