Bull elk / rifle / cartridge / bullet

remington jim said:
Well believe what you want - but 99 % YES ! BUT its the bullet that blows up and comes apart ! So BULLET design Dicktates ! - jmo RJ
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Jim, i said “yes and no” but don’t let reading get in your way of a good argument. A 45-70 shooting a Hornady soft point will see a marked difference in upset vs the same manufacturer of bullet shot from a 257 WBY at similar distance.
 
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Joel said:
Its the bullet design that determines if it holds together or flies apart at any speed....but its the cartridge that determines how fast it goes...but its the bullet....

ARGH you guys are making my head hurt. Need another beer. Take yer favorite rifle and kill elk with it as long as ya shoot it good.
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I can tell you, emphatically, that bullet speed matters considerably in bullet upset and performance.
 
My very good friend Chuck has it right, again! Bullets matter far more than head stamps... as a wise man in the North is fond of saying.

Lots of variables to hunting. Lots to hunting elk as well. Get a 160 plus grain bullet going at 3000 fps, at reasonable distances, in the right places, and critters die. All critters...at least in this land.

Once a feller starts placing limitations to justify choices, the arguments truly are endless, as are the potential variables.

R.
 
So now that we know the tool for hunting ol' Rex, the next question seems to be:

Is the chest/brisket white meat and are the legs/drumsticks dark meat?

Those lil forearms cooked rotisserie like a pig would be something.
 
dgradinaru said:
How fast are you pushing the 160gr TTSX? I've changed to 180gr tsx in the 8x57 at 2780fps and the last 5 big game I've shot with it were spectacular drop on the spot results.
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Right around 2760 with a (book) max load of CFE223. Which is slow. I got some RL17 that I may try or I may just work a bit higher with the CFE223. Be nice to get north of 2900.

The TTSX is very accurate though.
 
medvedqc said:
when i guided in northern quebec for mostly caribou (yes still not elk there lol) i guided 4 guys from wyoming that were hunting elk every fall on public land and i asked them what they will use for elk: 4 answered the same guns they brought for caribou hunting as they had only one rifle each and it was all in 7mm rem mag ... i used a lot the 7x64 so a little slower but i find it interesting that they never user bigger caliber or faster like the rums or wsm but what worked for them was enough.
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Even though it isn't currently fashionable. the 7 Rem Mag (or it's Wby twin) is one of the best balanced and most useful big game cartridges out there. - dan
 
pathfinder76 said:
Jim, i said “yes and no” but don’t let reading get in your way of a good argument. A 45-70 shooting a Hornady soft point will see a marked difference in upset vs the same manufacturer of bullet shot from a 257 WBY at similar distance.
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WELL Chuck I have shot game with a 25-06 and a 257 WBee and a Few more with the 45-70 and the 450 Marlin ! NONE killed any better than the other WHEN ! :d
“ THE BULLET QUALITY AND SHOT PLACEMENT ARE WHAT KILLS A ANIMAL ! “ RJ

All done with this discussion :p
 
Rob said:
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Now that would be the ultimate dangerous game hunt! A 700 Nitro express would be my choice, along with three other PH's with the same gun and cartridge for backup.
 
remington jim said:
WELL Chuck I have shot game with a 25-06 and a 257 WBee and a Few more with the 45-70 and the 450 Marlin ! NONE killed any better than the other WHEN ! :d
“ THE BULLET QUALITY AND SHOT PLACEMENT ARE WHAT KILLS A ANIMAL ! “ RJ

All done with this discussion :p
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Shout and stomp all you want Jim, but I haven’t said anything to the contrary.
 
Speed kills ..you bet , called Shock eg: 257
size in caliber does too ..
bigger hole for the primary wound channel
but a slow 45-70 at 1200 is a slow killer even with a big hole

Many thanks to Joel for the experienced replies :)
 
Spruster said:
I have shot more elk than you ..not gonna go there
You go measure and send me a pic
... cool chuck
stop trying to argue and trolling me
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Got any pics of all the elk you have shot?
Ive killed more than a few myself with multiple calibers from 243, 308, 3006 300wm and 45-70 and been witness to 6.5s, 7mm and many more.. elk killed from every distance out to 500yds. My choice calling rifle is by far the 45-70 and 405 hard cast.. high shoulder shots and there is never any tracking needed, No blood shot meat either. A good bullet put in the right place will definitely kill. But a large frontal diameter definitely puts a much more evident impact whallop than lighter bullets. Do they kill better?? Not necessarily but they definitely give more visual effect.
I have seen the best success with larger diameter bullets that drive deep and pass through
 
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