Bullet Choice vs Caliber Choice
- Thread starter BIGREDD
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death-junky
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- Moose Jaw SK
i think you need the right bullet and cartridge combo to be effective in hunting.
haveing a .22 cal bullet with a 50 BMG cace that would be unpractecal just the same as haveing a 50 cal bullet in a .22 cal case (only proveing a point i no there is no such thing and never will be LOL) you need the right cartrige and bullet desine to do the job.
talk to ya all later
Riley
haveing a .22 cal bullet with a 50 BMG cace that would be unpractecal just the same as haveing a 50 cal bullet in a .22 cal case (only proveing a point i no there is no such thing and never will be LOL) you need the right cartrige and bullet desine to do the job.
talk to ya all later
Riley
that's got my vote
smack a moose in the shoulder with a Vmax or Speer TnT and you're gonna have a dinner plate sized crater, nothing more than a wound that will lead to a long lingering death that feeds the ravens.
hit him with an X or Partition and you're gonna soon be elbows deep in moose guts
I don't think you can divorce calibre and bullet construction.
If you choose a particular cartridge you are already reassured that the calibre is quite up to the job and from there you choose the bullet mass and construction for the job.
Not the reverse.
I'll give an extreme example.
Say you're hunting water buffalo.
You know that your first shot will have to be a bonded core soft point to try and ensure the animal goes down and that any follow ups are FMJs to ensure penetration.
So knowing that you can't say to yourself "Well then, a 30-06 should be fine".
It might be possible but it isn't advisable.
On the same hand you can't go coyote hunting with a .416 Rigby and not expect possibly wounding the animal if you take a similar approach.
You also can't expect the same sort of trajectory.
Do you see what I mean? :|
And I think hitting the vitals goes without saying.
If you choose a particular cartridge you are already reassured that the calibre is quite up to the job and from there you choose the bullet mass and construction for the job.
Not the reverse.
I'll give an extreme example.
Say you're hunting water buffalo.
You know that your first shot will have to be a bonded core soft point to try and ensure the animal goes down and that any follow ups are FMJs to ensure penetration.
So knowing that you can't say to yourself "Well then, a 30-06 should be fine".
It might be possible but it isn't advisable.
On the same hand you can't go coyote hunting with a .416 Rigby and not expect possibly wounding the animal if you take a similar approach.
You also can't expect the same sort of trajectory.
Do you see what I mean? :|
And I think hitting the vitals goes without saying.
A poll by BIGREDD :?
Combination of all, but the last one wins. Since even a crummy small bore FMJ will do the job if the shot is placed properly.
Mind you, as BIGREDD would say the question is a little vague, I mean what size game?
Combination of all, but the last one wins. Since even a crummy small bore FMJ will do the job if the shot is placed properly.
Mind you, as BIGREDD would say the question is a little vague, I mean what size game?
Dosing, I don't think the question is that vague.Dosing said:
It's certainly a bit better than your last poll! :?
And as for the comment about small bore FMJs there are animals that it would be very unwise to try that on.
A small bore FMJ may penetrate o.k. but a decent bone will stop it, especially when you're trying to knock over a buff.
We should stop asking about possibilities and consider probabilities.
A small bore against dangerous game is a last ditch so let's stop treating such extremes as normal hunting situations.
Dosing shoots back:
You can generate discussion and get serious opinions from a WELL THOUGHT OUT Poll. :idea:
Sorry about your luck.
Vague :roll: ... the only thing vague about the question is your ability to understand it Dosing.
You can generate discussion and get serious opinions from a WELL THOUGHT OUT Poll. :idea:
Sorry about your luck.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Get a "reasonable" cartridge(ie. NOT Hornet for moose!), learn to shoot ti properly, and safely, load up and go hunting......
I could take a standing moose at 200 with my Snider , but not on an speed goat at that range!
Cat
I could take a standing moose at 200 with my Snider , but not on an speed goat at that range!
Cat
Can I poll with Bigredd and catnthehat?catnthehatt said:
Their non-poll answers make more sense than Dosing's poll questions! :roll:
Anyone who makes a cat where weird hats like that has some problems....... :shock:
I ticked bullet construction and caliber combined but I have since rethought my decision and should have went with bullet construction.
In a perfect world, with all the animals standing broadside to accomodate a double lung pass through, shot placement would win hands down but we are not in a perfect world. To get at the vitals of elk, moose, bears and some of those bigger bucks we see but seem to elude us we need a superior constructed bullet to get through bone mass before the bullet can hit the vitals.
In a perfect world, with all the animals standing broadside to accomodate a double lung pass through, shot placement would win hands down but we are not in a perfect world. To get at the vitals of elk, moose, bears and some of those bigger bucks we see but seem to elude us we need a superior constructed bullet to get through bone mass before the bullet can hit the vitals.
kombi1976 said:Can I poll with Bigredd and catnthehat?
Their non-poll answers make more sense than Dosing's poll questions! :roll:
Anyone who makes a cat where weird hats like that has some problems....... :shock:
Well I'll ignore BIGREDDs poor baiting (
) and your criticism of my Poll on Stainless and Stainless finishes versus Bluing (That was my last poll), but since you attacked the frog cat, you gotta go down...The question is vague, in at least as BIGREDD would critique some of my past polls. I can take a 43 Mauser with a honking lead ball, and down alot of various game. No fancy construction, just a big ass wad of lead, and plow it into the game. Likewise I can take a 4 bore with a huge lead ball and drop and Elephant as has been done. Conversley as was recently mentioned in another poll, you can reliably drop an Elephant with the old 7mm Mauser and FMJs. So construction would not seem the most pertinent issue if placement is properly made. Like wise a FMJ will drop alot of critters if you place the shot correctly, even poorly made FMJs (the old Prvis come to mind). So, the issue is what size game, what conditions?
Hardly an irrelevant issue. If I am trying a 10 yard shot on a white tail pretty much anything can be made to do the job. Thus I would heartily argue you pick the best you can for the situation you expect. I wouldn't suggest that wad of lead for a 300m shot, maybe something more ballistically suitable, maybe a better construction as well. Are we talking medium game, deer and moose, or are we talking about a bear, where you want the best impact per projectile that you can get. Are we talking brush hunting or open ranges. To try and simplify such a complex issue seems an oversimplification of a more complex issue (if to myself alone). Then again, since munitions are my primary interest it could just be that some do not appreciate the issues to the same degree as I. Who knows....
As to the Kitty, you will be happy to know, it was not I who put said Kitty in said Hat, but, I do indeed love that pic. So, rest assured I have not abused said kitty or the Duck Kitty by placing said hats upon thier cute furry little heads, but I do indeed laugh my ass of everytime I see those pics...
:lol:
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
I think bullet placement is the most important factor, but, you must have the bullet construction, or the mass, and power to get the bullet placed, when the angles are not perfect.
For example, I just took a moose with a 30-30. Bullet placement did the job quickly and effectively.
What would have happened if the shot I'd taken had been through the front shoulder bone, and/or at greater distance? :?:
For example, I just took a moose with a 30-30. Bullet placement did the job quickly and effectively.
What would have happened if the shot I'd taken had been through the front shoulder bone, and/or at greater distance? :?:
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Bell used the 7X57 and 6.5 MS casrtridges with FMJ bullets and head shots.
A 43 Mauser with a cast lead bullelet in the head of a Pachederm would not be an experiment I would be willing to participate in, shot shot placement and proper bullet construction,.....
Cat
A 43 Mauser with a cast lead bullelet in the head of a Pachederm would not be an experiment I would be willing to participate in, shot shot placement and proper bullet construction,.....
Cat
Dosing:
You try to dispute a poll that asked a clear question and generated concise response's and opinions as well as objective debate :?
Your feeble dissertation can only be interpreted as a juvenile attempt to discredit this poll in retaliation for my criticism of yours.....
Keep trying though.... eventually you will come up with a good one :wink:
walksalot rethinks:
Thanks Walksalot.... this is exactly what started my thinking on the subject and created the poll question in the first place... I have come to the same conclusions as you. 8)
The question is very clear and although general in nature this was the intent and all the other members who posted here understood the intent. It was not intended to be specific to any particular game or calibre. :idea:
You try to dispute a poll that asked a clear question and generated concise response's and opinions as well as objective debate :?
Your feeble dissertation can only be interpreted as a juvenile attempt to discredit this poll in retaliation for my criticism of yours.....
Keep trying though.... eventually you will come up with a good one :wink:
walksalot rethinks:
Thanks Walksalot.... this is exactly what started my thinking on the subject and created the poll question in the first place... I have come to the same conclusions as you. 8)
No offence, but I've heard a few tales of Bell, particularly using the 6.5 MS, mortally wounding the elephant and then running behind it to put in a few more to finish it off.catnthehatt said:
In fact I believe he even commented that the MS was a nice light rifle that allowed one to keep up with the animal and shoot follow up shots as it retreated. :|
I have no doubts that much of the time, particularly with the 7mm, he was successful on the first shot, but not ALL the time.
And THAT, cat, my friend, is what it's all about, eh? :wink:
No offence, but I've heard a few tales of Bell, particularly using the 6.5 MS, mortally wounding the elephant and then running behind it to put in a few more to finish it off.catnthehatt said:
In fact I believe he even commented that the MS was a nice light rifle that allowed one to keep up with the animal and shoot follow up shots as it retreated. :|
I have no doubts that much of the time, particularly with the 7mm, he was successful on the first shot, but not ALL the time.
And THAT, cat, my friend, is what it's all about, eh? :wink:
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Kombi, I would imagine that there was lots of that stuff going on ( there still is today ), but I was talking about a head on shot on an animal that was not running away!
Roosevelt, O'connor, and many more had publicly made statements that these days are considered not good form.
Even Howard Hill was discredited with some lion and leopard kills, plus elephant kills.
My main goal is "one shot, one kill". I was raised with this philosophy by a family that practiced the same, using a decent weight of bullet at a reasonable velocity, delivered to the best possible location, once.
If a follow up shot is needed, so be it, but as of right now in 40 odd years of hunting there have been very few ( 3), along with two complete misses. That is not including birds, but big game.
I have forgotten many of the one shot kills I have made but have NEVER forgoten those misses or second shots
Cat
Roosevelt, O'connor, and many more had publicly made statements that these days are considered not good form.
Even Howard Hill was discredited with some lion and leopard kills, plus elephant kills.
My main goal is "one shot, one kill". I was raised with this philosophy by a family that practiced the same, using a decent weight of bullet at a reasonable velocity, delivered to the best possible location, once.
If a follow up shot is needed, so be it, but as of right now in 40 odd years of hunting there have been very few ( 3), along with two complete misses. That is not including birds, but big game.
I have forgotten many of the one shot kills I have made but have NEVER forgoten those misses or second shots
Cat
