Bullet failures - What your experience has been.

What bullet construction has failed you the most, on big game.

  • Mono Metal

    Votes: 25 20.3%
  • Partition or A Frame Style

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Bonded

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • Cup and core

    Votes: 42 34.1%
  • Ballistic tip style

    Votes: 39 31.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 7.3%

  • Total voters
    123
I tried to vote other, but i thumbed the wrong button. Anyways. The only time a bullet failed for me was this year with berger hunting bullets. The bullet pencil holed through both ribs the. Brew apart on the exit rib. Deer still died within 30 meters.
 
That was my question, if game was recovered, is it bullet failure? Most of the “failures” I’ve had have been bang and down within a few yards.....

If the bullet doesn't perform as intended, then it's a failure. If the bullet doesn't perform in a predictable, reliable manner, then recovering the animal starts to become a game of chance.
 
I see lots of user failures and not to many bullet failures.

If your set on heavy for caliber bullets and run monolithic bullets your setting yourself up for lack of expansion.

If you’re a died in the wool shoulder shooter but like cup core bullets with polymer tips, you’re gonna get some shallow penetration and heavily blood shot meat.

If you love screaming velocities and target bullets dressed up as a big game bullet, you’ll get wondrous bang flops, until you mess up and hit a major bone, or try a sharp angled presentation.

But we’ve got the inter web nowadays where every wannabe gun scribe purports their bad decisions as anyone or anything’s fault but their own.
 
I wouldn't say I've had any failures, so I didn't vote. I have chosen the wrong bullet for the use before though. I should correct that, the non-optimal bullet. It's all about matching bullet characteristics with expected or needed terminal performance.

I really wish there was more information on bullet terminal performance from manufacturers, with some form of standardized testing. Like even just a basic ballistic gel wound channel test at various velocities. Nosler does on some of theirs and that's about it. Essentially I feel like there's just not enough information out there to evaluate bullet selection outside of people's stories. Which will be inherently negative biased, because that's just how people share information.

That said, if you think about things logically, you can probably predict performance and potential issues.

Monos - stay together with deep narrow wound channels.
Probably the most affected by manufacturing defects as machining dictates expansion characteristics, as well as alloy consistency. Smaller bullets will have more issues due to being more sensitive to tolerances. If anything happens to the hollow point and it closes (damaged tip, hit bone before expanding, etc.), it won't expand correctly. These also have the lowest sectional density and need the most velocity due to being so hard relative to lead.

A-frame/partition - deeper moderately wide wound channels. The A-frame is very well constructed and would stay together when hitting bone. Unlikely this bullet will come unglued for any reason on an animal. Partitions I've heard failure stories on, but that I think was just completely losing the tip and having the base act like a solid. Which, logically, it should do.

Cup and core - shallow, wide wound channels. These are probably the best expanding of the offerings. But it requires matching the bullet to velocities as every manufacturer and bullet type performs differently. Jacket thickness and hardness, as well as lead alloy used, all affect terminal performance. So a hot cor hitting at 1600fps probably won't expand well, but a game king would. Conversely, a game king at 2800fps impact would probably explode and a hot cor would perform well. And a Speer boat tail is softer than a hot core for the same weight and caliber. But not in a way that's easily quantifiable.

Berger- explosive but conditional to having enough material to cause structural failure. Meaning, it needs a certain amount of meat to pass through to initiate bullet structural failure(velocity dependant, higher velocity, less needed). Too thin and it'll pencil. The down side is if it hits bone or thick areas(eg. Shoulder), it'll probably explode and not penetrate well.

Bonded - moderate depth and moderate wound channels. Generally these would be a tougher bullet than cup and core, as by nature they designed these to not come apart. But once again, matching velocities to use is important. For example Nosler accubonds and Accubond LR have very different expansion/velocity curves. So expected performance should be altered based on this kind of information. An Accubond LR at close range(<50m) out of a 300win, probably won't hold together that well punching through a moose shoulder blade relative to a normal Accubond.
 
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As far as "match" bullet used for hunting, I refuse to use them, no matter how accurate they are.
Great for paper and steel, not really suitable for hunting. Sorry for the long post, Dave.

If you love screaming velocities and target bullets dressed up as a big game bullet,

Eagleye and Lefty, please clarify which bullets you are referring to.
Or maybe someone else could enlighten me.
 
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I guess it would fall in the bonded category but it's not a bonded cup and core like an Accubond, the Federal Fusion is actually a heavily copper plated bullet.

I never knew this. Thanks for sharing. I've always looked at them and wondered how they had a bonded bullet on the market for the same money as a cup and core.
 
Bullets don't fail me. If it's not dead I shoot it again. If I can't find it, it's my fault not the bullet.
I'll hunt with Bergers to Barnes. Never had a failure.
 
We are asking bullets to do more all the time. Back in the 70's and 80's I remember whitetail hunting with my newly acquired 30-06 from my dad using Imperial 180 soft points thinking I had the bomb. And, that being said, I think I did as I had many one shot kills from all kinds of angles. The moral to that story was a regular cartridge shooting a cup and core bullet at a reasonable velocity. Back then we didn't expect much from cup and cores except for them to perform like they were supposed to at about 2700 fps or so. Now, with so many laser-guns out there launching stuff at well over 3000 fps - there is no doubt as to why we have so many accounts of "failures".

That being said, adding a bonded bullet to your regular caliber sure provides a little extra expansion and if you do recover a bullet from the animal, it tends to look like it came from a bullet advertisement out of a hunting magazine. I am a big fan of bonded bullets to help your regular caliber rifle to "punch a bit above its bodyweight". The newest designs are more aerodynamic than ever and are tougher than woodpecker lips.

Mono bullets need velocity. Pure and simple. I use them in my .338 RUM more out of necessity than anything else. So many rifles just won't shoot them well either.

With all that being said, it is hard to beat some of the oldies - but also goodies - like a good, ole, Nosler Partition. Does what it is supposed to 99% of the time.
 
As far as "match" bullet used for hunting, I refuse to use them, no matter how accurate they are.
Great for paper and steel, not really suitable for hunting. Sorry for the long post, Dave.

If you love screaming velocities and target bullets dressed up as a big game bullet,

Eagleye and Lefty, please clarify which bullets you are referring to.
Or maybe someone else could enlighten me.


It’s pretty self evident I figured.

I won’t use a Berger on game.
I wont use A-Max’s on game.
ELD-M’s either.
 
Biggest failure were ballistic tips that blew up on deer.

Strangest maybe was a 300 gr Nosler Partition that list both front and rear core on a big bear spine.
 
I think Nosler toughened up the ballistic tips a while back. Early ones were thin jacket and explosive like the SST apparently.
 
Any ballistic tip that is designated "Hunting" is a much tougher bullet than the original BT was
If you section one, it looks exactly like the Accubond inside, but is not bonded. The jacket gets
very thick about halfway down the bullet. The original Ballistic Tips had lighter jackets.

It is even observable physically. I have 270/140 Ballistic tips from the original type, and also the
newer "hunting" 140. If you put them side by side, the hunting variety is just a bit longer than
the old style. This is because of the thicker gilding metal jacket, which is lighter than lead, so
the bullet is slightly longer to make the same weight. Dave.
 
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