Bullet Placement!

firstly
Excellent post BR defintly a pleasent change from the typical 223 for deer vs the 338 etc posts of late.
now some incesent rampling from a gimpy cheap bastard who cant spell or puncuate worth a damn LOL
personaly i use a $150 sported .303 british bolt action lee enfield for the majority of my hunting, not because i prefer bolts over semi's or pumps but mainly because it was $150 and if i was offered a newer semi or pump for that price then i would use it instead, as for the round quality i use the winchester 180gr super X not because it is a better bullet then any other brand or because of any marketing, no i use it because it is cheap, i can find it just about anywhere, and it performs well enough in my gun at the ranges i hunt in. now for magizine capacity i use the standard 10 round mag the lee comes with and it is full when i go hunting. now for the main topic shot placment well like everyone i know here i do my damndest to put that first shot in the perfect kill zone but with the amount of variables in the bush shooting at a living animal in comparison to shooting from a bench at a piece of paper i cannot expect the first shot to kill every single time i aim and pull the trigger, so as soon as i pull the trigger i am reloading and getting prepared to take another shot. and as for people tell new hunters that you should only need one shot any more and your not a "real" hunter is retarded
the last time i checked a real hunter is defined by his level of respect to both the sport, the animal and the habitat in which he hunts and strives to make sure every animal he kills is done so in the most ethical manner available to him, he is also measured by what he passes on to the next generation of hunters. so shot placment does play a part in hunting and so does your rifle but thier parts are minute and equal when you factor in the amount of given varibles in each differnt situation. now on to the topic of missing shots well , its part of the sport everyone who takes part in hunting will miss at least one if not more shots in thier lifetime thiers nothing wrong with it, it doesnt make you less of a hunter, in fact each time i have missed a shot i spend the off season figuring out the reason why and more time practicing to try and prevent it the next time around, so going on that i feel missing a shot can only make you a bit better for the next trips out.
blah now i am really babbling so i will end with this
thanks BR this is defintly a worthwhile post to read and well appreciated by me at least
 
LeePeterson said:
Thanks Foxer!

Does anyone know if their is a company that makes paper targets for white tail deer, that show actually vital size?
wal mart has as well as lebarons i bought a bunch the last time i was there they have life size with vitals and they show the heart spine lungs and shoulder i believe i will see if i can snap a pic of the one i have
 
Moose.jpg

deervitals.jpg
 
Last edited:
The type of deer hunting that I do nowadays, (mostly from an elevated ,insulated, heated and windowed shack overlooking bush trails and farm fields) I have lots of time to make that single killing shot...almost like bench rest shooting , except for the excitement factor . I am not in a rush, if I don't see Mr. Big that day I can always be back the next day, or the next....When a big deer comes out I can wait for the animal to present the perfect broadside shot....I am in no rush . I don't have to take low percentage shots ....I have the whole season to look forward to(the missus is glad to get me outta the house)
But then again I haven't shot a deer for the last two hunting seasons....still waiting for Mr. Big .
Back in my younger days, even tho it was first brown was down, I still prefered the broadside shot(less meat waste), but did kill a lot of deer with head shots...conditions warranting .
 
True, #### happens. It is better to have more thatn you need and not need it than not enough when you do.

If everything goes according to the plan, I could kill a moose with a sharp stick. But everything does not always go according to plan, so I use a 7mm remington. With Partitions, which offer a LOT more range and penetration that I probably need most of the time.
 
BIGREDD, Foxer, good diagrams. A good reference for archery & firearms. Seems to fall in line with my 'rule of thumb', as / Dad's rifle instructions years ago. Quartering away or broadside, aim for the opposite shoulder. Quartering towards you, aim for the closest shoulder. With a rifle shot it's definate & massive 'boiler room' damage. Archery, slightly different but the ideal objective is to 'punch' both lungs. Thanks again for the diagram/info.
 
Gatehouse said:
So I choose bullets and a cartridge that will get the job done when things go wrong, as well as when things go 100% correctly.

And that is what it comes down to, really. s**t happens. People (and hunting) isn't perfect.

I couldn't have said it better. I lile to hunt with a cartridge/bullet that gives me a margin for error. I agree that bullet placement is probably the most important factor but I hate to read those "Natives have been killing polar bears with .223 for years, your (fill in the blank with a lower end of the spectrum cartridge) with a bullet in the boiler room will be more than enough". I would hate to use a cartridge/bullet that would only allow me to take perfect broadside shot and have to skip on an easy quartering shot because my cartridge might not be up to it.

Bullet placement is everything but use enough gun!
 
bcsteve said:
I couldn't have said it better. I lile to hunt with a cartridge/bullet that gives me a margin for error. I agree that bullet placement is probably the most important factor but I hate to read those "Natives have been killing polar bears with .223 for years, your (fill in the blank with a lower end of the spectrum cartridge) with a bullet in the boiler room will be more than enough". I would hate to use a cartridge/bullet that would only allow me to take perfect broadside shot and have to skip on an easy quartering shot because my cartridge might not be up to it.

Bullet placement is everything but use enough gun!

Well stated. Under conditions using your example of a cartridge, I can only wonder how many get away, or worse yet, how many die a slow lingering death.
 
LeePeterson said:
Maybe some people could post some pics of Vitals of a moose and white tail deer for new hunters.

shot placement :p
caliber choice :rolleyes:
scope selection :rolleyes:
knowing a balistic chart :rolleyes:
being a avid reader of capstick and friends :rolleyes:
yapping about how its done :rolleyes:
shooting ability ;)
luck ;)
knowing how to knock the hell out of a moose on the run --- PRICLESS ;)
the exit hole came out shy of the guts the entry hole was in the shoulder on the other side.
moose12.jpg
 
actually it was a great story behind that moose, I had only been out of the hospital 3 days, anphib had just started moving around again from knee surgery and my 12 year old son chris , we headed out at 3am for my favorite hunting spot, got there before daybreak, and sat around for a few minutes, then headed down the road, ran into a buddy and his hunters (hes a guide) stopped to BS for a few minutes and the bush came to life , bulls fighting on 1 side of the trucks and a cow bellering on the other side , I bailed out and tried running down the road to cut the bull off , but just getting out of the hospital with serious gut injuries it wasnt easy , amphib, obviously cant run on crutches , half way to the swamp I heard a thumping noise behind me , thinking holy sh!t the bull is going to come out between me and the trucks , I whipped around to go back and it was chris doing a buck forty down the road , his comment , "I dont wanna miss this !! " as I turned around the bull came racing up on the road I threw up the 458 running 510 bullets (its a bone-collector thing no worries) anyhow I grunted at him and he slowed just long nuff to belt his sorry a$$ @ about 40 yards , the first shot went through his neck as he reared up on me to stop in th scope (hence the blood scene) but he went down, then the bugger jumped up and started towards the swamp were I knew if he got in there our day was going to suck donkey so I belted him in the shoulders on a bad quartering shot, swamp was right on the edge of the road so he only had 10 feet to go .....he did a kinda 3/4 backflip with a McTwist and hit the ground.

now back on topic, Redd is right , there is alot of BS online about bullet choices or the perfect caliber or the perfect shot, I have been around alot of death and carnage and its not always 1 shot wonders , like this moose, 1st shot was FATAL but being ill and having limited help I wasnt going to do more work than needed and besides what better place to gut a moose than ON THE ROAD !

not everything always works out like a book says it will but in the end if you are prepared for battle and have a no fear attitude usually you will win, its not the guy that wounds 1 animal in 15 years that p!sses me off its the jacka$$ that brags about it online , and the amount of it that seems to go on, have I ever wounded an animal NO, but I have had to track several that were and it sucks but they all came home !

heres a couple of them situations and some 1 shot wonders
allofus1.jpg

brians%20bear.jpg

calage1.jpg
 
bone-collector said:
now back on topic, Redd is right , there is alot of BS online about bullet choices or the perfect caliber or the perfect shot, I have been around alot of death and carnage and its not always 1 shot wonders , like this moose, 1st shot was FATAL but being ill and having limited help I wasnt going to do more work than needed and besides what better place to gut a moose than ON THE ROAD !

not everything always works out like a book says it will but in the end if you are prepared for battle and have a no fear attitude usually you will win, its not the guy that wounds 1 animal in 15 years that p!sses me off its the jacka$$ that brags about it online , and the amount of it that seems to go on, have I ever wounded an animal NO, but I have had to track several that were and it sucks but they all came home !

I agree 100% with this appraisal Bones... and it seems that the P/H's and guides that I know all feel this way. Bullet placement can become a moot point if your animal falls 1000 feet down a mountian or stumbles 200 yards into the swamp before he falls over.
Invariably the guy that brags about his shooting ability or his tack driving rifle will be the client that wounds or misses. I have found the quiet guy's that do the least bragging will perform the most efficiently in the field.

You never hear about anyone here wounding or missing repeatedly:confused: ... me thinks this is not a coincidence:rolleyes: ... I wonder how many of us that preach bullet placement have had a run of bad luck that we are reluctant to share.:eek:
 
Come on guys, we're all hunters, which means were like fishermen, all just a bunch of liars.

And Bones just drives around with a camera in the truck so he can get pics taken of him and other hunters kills.

Bahahahaha;) :D :D :D

Actually, this gave me an idea for a sticky, starting with Bones.
 
Archery has helped me a great deal over the years. Its like a handycap placed on ones self that trains you to be ready for that split second chance you get for a clean shot. Also vitals are viewed in great detail with every step the animal takes. This may sound strange , but archers will know what I'm talking about.
This trained mind set plays right into rifle shooting, and makes it easier by a long shot. :D I would compare it to going from a slingshot to a 22 caliber rifle. :)
One must pick a spot as small as the mind will allow, this will pay off big time. Do not shoot at the whole animal , emagine a hair in front of the heart, and split it. :D
Long range shooting is a bit differant , as one also has to know the ballistics of the rifle cartridge, then can apply the same methods as for closer in. :)
 
Back
Top Bottom