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First, let me introduce myself. In the near future, I'll be joining many of you in Southern Ontario at ORA shoots once my Remington 700 setup arrives. Looking forward to learning from you all both on and around the firing lines.

So... are the things I've noticed during my lurking this past while correct?

Winona is (currently) limited to 147gr (basically - 7.62mm NATO ball).

ORA shoots are limited to 156gr by DCRA rule 11.20(2)?

So my question is - where in Ontario can people practice fire with factory loaded ammo such as Fedral GMM 168&175gr?

As you may have guessed - handloading is not in my immediate future, so I'm looking for an 'ORA legal' factory load with Fedral GMM's reputation for consistancy.

Thanks all
 
The 147gr bullets rule is in affect to Cedar Springs Range as well. The only places where you can shoot pass greater than the 147gr mark is Kingtson, Borden and Ottawa.
 
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The 156gr. max. is for TR. For F Class at Connaught, the load must meet certain specs. because of the range safety template. I don't think any .308 load would exceed the limit. 168gr. bullets are not a good choice for long range, but would be fine for short and mid ranges.
You will need to start handloading, sooner or later.
 
Tikkaman said:
I think the 155g limit applies only to Target Rifle (with a sling) not F class (using Glass).
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147 Is the limit for .308 at Cedar Spings and Winona regardless of TR or F Class.
 
mpwolf said:
You can get 155 smks loaded in Fed. GM ammo, although it can be a pain to find.
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147 grain is the limit. 155's are not allowed no matter who makes or loads them. Even 150's are out at this time.
DND believes 147's (IVI) shoots 2800fps, which is true more or less, out of a 20 inch barreled gas operated rifle. Shoot the same ammo out of a 30 inch target rifle (bolt gun) and you get about 2930fps. Don't try to tell them that, because they are the "all knowing":rolleyes:
 
maynard said:
147 grain is the limit. 155's are not allowed no matter who makes or loads them. Even 150's are out at this time.
DND believes 147's (IVI) shoots 2800fps, which is true more or less, out of a 20 inch barreled gas operated rifle. Shoot the same ammo out of a 30 inch target rifle (bolt gun) and you get about 2930fps. Don't try to tell them that, because they are the "all knowing":rolleyes:
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So the real question is: is the ORA still running matches/practices at these ranges (by the website, looks like yes), and if so, can someone suggest a brand of quality (read: match, or close to match grade) factory ammunition to come equipped with? I've yet to see anything under 150 sold in local stores. Not everybody handloads.
 
As it stands right now, surplus 7.62 NATO would be the way to go. If you can pull the bullets, re-throw the charges and seat the bullet out to touch near the lands, you can make it shoot 1 MOA. If you just shoot regular surplus 2 1/2- 3 MOA is what you will get (at least with IVI)
 
KS said:
can someone suggest a brand of quality (read: match, or close to match grade) factory ammunition to come equipped with? I've yet to see anything under 150 sold in local stores. Not everybody handloads.
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I found out early on that even a cheap Lee reloading package is capable of turning out better ammo than most factory ammo. If you were buying match ammo, the reloading equipment can easily pay for itself in as little as a couple of hundred rounds.

Also, I have found that Sierra 55gr FMJBT's are capable of MOA accuracy in the .223, so I imagine that their .308 FMJ's are also probably better than most military stuff.
 
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I suggest you talk to the ORA. Email their Promotions guy via their website. I am confident he will be able to give you the official advice and send you in the right direction for factory ammo for each of their events/locations.
 
KS said:
First, let me introduce myself. In the near future, I'll be joining many of you in Southern Ontario at ORA shoots once my Remington 700 setup arrives. Looking forward to learning from you all both on and around the firing lines.

So... are the things I've noticed during my lurking this past while correct?

Winona is (currently) limited to 147gr (basically - 7.62mm NATO ball).

ORA shoots are limited to 156gr by DCRA rule 11.20(2)?

So my question is - where in Ontario can people practice fire with factory loaded ammo such as Fedral GMM 168&175gr?

As you may have guessed - handloading is not in my immediate future, so I'm looking for an 'ORA legal' factory load with Fedral GMM's reputation for consistancy.

Thanks all
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Is it too late to change your order???? Like to a .223?????????
In Ontario it looks like 308's are not the calibre to shoot. If you get into handloading, Berger makes a 135gr, match bullet. Otherwise you can buy Match off the shelf ammo in .223, however your rifle will require a fast twist barrel to shoot it.
What model Remington did you order.? I see that most Rem models only have a 12 twist in a .223. Thats not fast enough for the heavy vld bullets.
.243 in 9.25 is good though. Must shoot hunting off the shelf loads though.
I would suggest a Savage in .223 however.
Buying Berger 135 match bullets is not going to be easy. And obviously you must handload.
 
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DND believes 147's (IVI) shoots 2800fps, which is true more or less, out of a 20 inch barreled gas operated rifle. Shoot the same ammo out of a 30 inch target rifle (bolt gun) and you get about 2930fps. Don't try to tell them that, because they are the "all knowing"
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What is the big deal about this anyway? I mean what is their reasoning?
 
At first I thought it maybe a max range issue, I checked the max range and found it approx. 2.75 miles or 4.33 km fired at 31 degrees elevation at 264ft alt., next I checked out the ranges, Winona and Cedar Springs on Google Earth and found they both point out over one of the Great Lakes.

Yes, what is up with this? I see no safety reason at all in these ranges. Is it a target damage issue? I hope not. This is what the targets are for, shooting at and they are replaceable.

Out here in Sask., we fire north and most of this land is owned by a member, but we can fire 338's out here too, and I know the 338 my buddy has is good for around 4 miles max range and it's about 5 miles to the first house in line.
 
Gunslinger said:
What is the big deal about this anyway? I mean what is their reasoning?
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No reason, just policy.
Remember they are the DND, they own the range and are waaaay smarter then us dumbass civies.
They would rather us shoot a 147 FMJ bullet that is prone to ricochette, then a 155 HPBT that that will expend all it energy and break apart in the backstop. They are the all knowing.
Nautical Charts for Lake Erie show the Safety Template as being 4.5 nuatical miles from shore. DND claims it is only 2900m from shore to save on buoy markers I guess.
 
No reason, just policy.
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It's stuff like this that makes me want to punch the wall. Always someone somewhere who gets a kick out of making policy just because they can, regardless of weather or not it makes sense or is necessary. :runaway:

Question: How is this enforced?
 
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