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every non restricted rifle can be made Prohibited by chopping the barrel short enough
Bullpup Firearms
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*Correction*
every non restricted rifle can be made Prohibited by chopping the barrel short enough
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yes, as per above you can get a CX4 Storm in 9mm ($900) and then have a non-restricted barrel installed on it (approximately $500 additional).
Quite a few people are raving about the new JR Carbines in 9mm as well ($900). They're non-restricted and the non-bullpup design takes standard Glock magazines and you can use aftermarket AR accessories (grips, stocks, etc.)
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
That's incorrect, actually. In addition to the Beretta CX4 Storm there's the Hi-Point 995TS carbine.
I assure you, it is.
"Bullpups are firearm configurations in which the action is located behind the trigger group and alongside the shooter's face, so there is no wasted space for the buttstock as in conventional designs."
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The CX4 Storm is classified as a bullpup design because the action/lower receiver are integrated into the stock. There's no mechanical component in the retractable stock (where applicable) on the Uzi, TP9, MP7, etc.
A better question to ask is if you could remove the stock on the CX4 Storm, would the CFC classify it as prohibited?
I would further point out that the TP9 and MP7, etc. are already restricted on barrel length because having a retractable stock (or not) does not count towards overall length.
CarbineOne
Regular
I'm not sure which exact definition you are going by any more. The 'classic' definition was action/magazine behind the grip/trigger group.
There are many guns that have the action extend into the buttstock, including many shotguns. The fact that the buttstock is non-removable does not really deem the action is integrated into it. What about the one piece AR-15 lowers? Are they now bullpups because the action/lower receiver is integrated into the stock?
I have to admit I'm a huge bullpup fan. I've also wanted an AUG.
I chose the Tavor over the FS2000. Love the PS90, and the Kel-Tec RFB is great too.
The CX4 Storm. Well I own one in non restricted. It's great. Put the quick release M21 from your Tavor on it and you're laughing. It's a fantastic combination.
The storm might technically be a bullpup. I'm not sure. I've always just considered it a pistol based carbine rather than a bullpup. I'm going to defer to Blaxsun on this one. Because as he mentioned it's not a pistol due to it being a carbine, it does have an actual stock unlike the TP9, uzi, MP7 etc. Plus as argued the action does in fact go slightly back from the pistol grip. Even though I don't think of it as really a bullpup, I think Blaxsun is technically correct.
I chose the Tavor over the FS2000. Love the PS90, and the Kel-Tec RFB is great too.
The CX4 Storm. Well I own one in non restricted. It's great. Put the quick release M21 from your Tavor on it and you're laughing. It's a fantastic combination.
The storm might technically be a bullpup. I'm not sure. I've always just considered it a pistol based carbine rather than a bullpup. I'm going to defer to Blaxsun on this one. Because as he mentioned it's not a pistol due to it being a carbine, it does have an actual stock unlike the TP9, uzi, MP7 etc. Plus as argued the action does in fact go slightly back from the pistol grip. Even though I don't think of it as really a bullpup, I think Blaxsun is technically correct.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
There are probably a half dozen variations on the definition of a bullpup, but I believe the key criteria is:
• Magazine-well and action is located behind the trigger group (typically near one's face)
So I'll concede the point that while the CX4 Storm is technically a bullpup design, it may not necessarily be thought of as a bullpup in the traditional sense as the Aug, Tavor, PS90, FS2000, RFB, etc.
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Really? Another bullpup thread....
CarbineOne
Regular
Then most handguns are 'bullpups'. To me, it's where the chamber sits (and by consequence, where the magazine feeds to) and where the barrel begins. Is it behind the trigger? Then it's a bullpup.
And blaxsun, based on the definition you posted, the CX4 isn't a bullpup. The action when readied, sits forward of the pistol grip. Just because there is moving parts behind the trigger does not make it a bullpup design. How many semi auto shotguns have recoil mechanisms that extend into the buttstock? Do you count them as bullpups as well?
You're Forgetting the sum is more than the parts. Magazine behind the trigger (there goes your shotgun), receiver again behind trigger with a Fixed stock That the receiver does go into (this disqualifies pistols). Put those elements together not just individually.
I agree I don't think of it as an actual bullpup. To me a bullpup's receiver is the stock. Of course the beauty of a pistol bases carbine is the shorter receiver so you don't need as much space. Technicaly though you could argue it has the requirements of a bullpup. Either way it's a great carbine.
I agree I don't think of it as an actual bullpup. To me a bullpup's receiver is the stock. Of course the beauty of a pistol bases carbine is the shorter receiver so you don't need as much space. Technicaly though you could argue it has the requirements of a bullpup. Either way it's a great carbine.
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