Bullpup vs AR
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After using Tavors for some years, I'm pretty sure I would choose an X95 over an AR15 for many situations- except the AR15 can be made to be somewhat more accurate. There is no doubt that the Tavor is more robust and will run longer and dirtier than an AR15. Biggest drawback for the Tavor is spare parts while AR15 parts are everywhere. But parts rarely need to be replaced.
I have always thought......whats the big difference in accuracy. If your hitting a pie plate at 100 yards, and there is only a difference of an inch, ...the rifle is still doing a Very good job for what it was "Originally" designed to do.
If the shot hits the enemy in the nose or in the chin.....its still met its military objective.
These are not Precision target rifles and were not designed as such. They both do their job extremely well.
They are military guns.
In a REAL world situation, the enemy would Never know the difference, and neither would the shooter.
I would use either or, without hesitation.
Not aiming this post at any one, just putting this thought out there.
when I was at the Range with My T97 and my Nork AR, ...I still hit every target,..regardless of what gun.
100% success rate.
If the shot hits the enemy in the nose or in the chin.....its still met its military objective.
These are not Precision target rifles and were not designed as such. They both do their job extremely well.
They are military guns.
In a REAL world situation, the enemy would Never know the difference, and neither would the shooter.
I would use either or, without hesitation.
Not aiming this post at any one, just putting this thought out there.
when I was at the Range with My T97 and my Nork AR, ...I still hit every target,..regardless of what gun.
100% success rate.
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redshooter
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I really like the AR-15, by far my favourite rifle to date, but cost has always been a factor in that.
That said, I'm really liking Bullpups. I developed a love for the balance trying to get 18+ hits on the Cabin Fever Challenge, best I could manage was 16, but the weight being all rear definitely improved the old man's offhand shooting.
Originally I bought an RDB, and really liked it, enough that I also bought an X-95. I have to sell one eventually, I'm actually having a hard time deciding which one to keep...I'm hopeful my AR-15 will be free one day, otherwise X-95 for the win, clearly it'll take more abuse, but the RDB is a really nice rifle. If the RDB had the same part availability the choice would be that much harder, probably be the one I kept.
Bullpup vs. AR, I guess I'll take the Bullpup for being more old man friendly unsupported, but just barely.
That said, I'm really liking Bullpups. I developed a love for the balance trying to get 18+ hits on the Cabin Fever Challenge, best I could manage was 16, but the weight being all rear definitely improved the old man's offhand shooting.
Originally I bought an RDB, and really liked it, enough that I also bought an X-95. I have to sell one eventually, I'm actually having a hard time deciding which one to keep...I'm hopeful my AR-15 will be free one day, otherwise X-95 for the win, clearly it'll take more abuse, but the RDB is a really nice rifle. If the RDB had the same part availability the choice would be that much harder, probably be the one I kept.
Bullpup vs. AR, I guess I'll take the Bullpup for being more old man friendly unsupported, but just barely.
Somewhat more accurate?
That's a bit of an understatement if I ever read one.
On a positive note, I'm glad the cope has been condensed to one thread
Coping is having to use an AR15 instead of an X95.
I ran an AR VERY HARD and it got dirty as hell and was abused way beyond what most people will do to their rifles and it continued to run just fine. The trick is to run the thing pretty wet with oil.
For sure the AR can be considerably more accurate, but outside of shooting groups, what benefit is that? AKs have totally crap accuracy and yet they have been extremely successful design that everyone wants.
The AR is a GREAT design. Its modularity allows it to be configured for any size/use/caliber a person could possibly want. I have four of them.
Same here. I also started with a used RDB because it had long intrigued me and was the easiest to use as a lefty. Sadly my RDB developed a fault in the trigger and has been at a Smith getting repaired for about 10 months. As a result of that I ended up buying an X95.
I am absolutely loving the X95.
Meh, im in the conventional rifles > bullpups camp still.
Me and a buddy were actually at the range today testing out and zeroing his new RDB mlok that he kindov impulse bought. Brought his SU16F for a comparison. When we switched from the RDB to the SU16 we burst out laughing at how much more comfortable and effective the SU 16 was to shoot. The RDB build construction was however superior and the accuracy notably better aswell.
Me and a buddy were actually at the range today testing out and zeroing his new RDB mlok that he kindov impulse bought. Brought his SU16F for a comparison. When we switched from the RDB to the SU16 we burst out laughing at how much more comfortable and effective the SU 16 was to shoot. The RDB build construction was however superior and the accuracy notably better aswell.
You only think that because you have years of experience and comfort with a conventional rifle and zero experience with a bullpup. It would be like strapping on snowshoes and saying how uncomfortable they are to walk in. Eskimo's wouldn't think such a thing.
Id argue that the Eskimos wear snowshoes to walk on snow, they dont wear them year round. And thats because they are not optimal. Just like the bullpup, militarys adopted them for compactness in tight environments. But they aint optimal, and thats why most guns are not bullpups.
It all comes down to how and where you use it.
As some of you know, I've had a TAR-21 from the very first batch imported from Israel. I've been using that rifle for nearly 20 years, and not as a safe princess or range toy. I upgraded it with the lightening bow and Gieselle trigger pack. It spent its life riding around in my trucks, tractors, and combines. Road hard and put away wet. Rarely cleaned, thrown around, actually used in the wild. I love that rifle. For any sort of vehicle or tight space use, the bullpup is the hands down only choice. You also can't sleep on the non-restricted status.
I've since upgraded to an X95 as the old TAR-21 is due for a refurbishment. The X95 is a very, very nice rifle.
The AR is better at everything else. I can't easily strap an M203 to my Tavor.
As some of you know, I've had a TAR-21 from the very first batch imported from Israel. I've been using that rifle for nearly 20 years, and not as a safe princess or range toy. I upgraded it with the lightening bow and Gieselle trigger pack. It spent its life riding around in my trucks, tractors, and combines. Road hard and put away wet. Rarely cleaned, thrown around, actually used in the wild. I love that rifle. For any sort of vehicle or tight space use, the bullpup is the hands down only choice. You also can't sleep on the non-restricted status.
I've since upgraded to an X95 as the old TAR-21 is due for a refurbishment. The X95 is a very, very nice rifle.
The AR is better at everything else. I can't easily strap an M203 to my Tavor.
There's really no arguing that if your not used to walking through snow in snow shoes it might feel awkward compared to someone who has done it for years.
Same for bullpups vs more conventional designs.
BullPups might not be optimal for various reasons, but I don't think they are a flash in the pan either.
As I teach my sons: be fluid. Adapt. Give me a pickup truck or a sports coupe and I can drive either one like I stole it. AR’s or bullpups — you should be able to pick up either and instantly be one with it. The trick is in knowing there’s no free lunch; when you gain a strength, a weakness comes attached, so you have to understand the trade off and work with it.
I dragged my X95 around the farm all afternoon. In and out of the side-by-side about a hundred times, walking about, doing some light tasks with the rifle slung over my shoulder the whole time. It was a pleasure to deal with.
Anything currently non-restricted is just way too long and clumsy.
An AR has to get pretty short to compete w a bullpup.
Anything currently non-restricted is just way too long and clumsy.
An AR has to get pretty short to compete w a bullpup.
I dunno, I get ~2.5moa using M193, with fliers opening up the group to ~3" occasionally. That's pretty on par with any AR I've shot. An AR definitely shoots match ammo better than an X95 does, but who shoots that all day long?
With the Geissele trigger pack, the rifle will out shoot everyone I've handed it too. I shoots coyotes off the tractor plenty good for my needs.
Right.
Sure, off a bench, I can def do a lot better but the X95 isn't a target rifle and it won't be shot off a bench, so whatever accuracy it produces is more than good enough for the general sorts of uses it will be put to. Accuracy is pretty much a moot argument.
I carried my X95 around the farm for a half day, continuously getting in and out of a side-by-side with the rifle slung. It was def nicer than a full sized conventional rifle.
