Bush Gun

I've used several bush/brush guns:
.303 Lee-Enfield Mark IV with iron sights
.270Win Brno ZKK-600 with 4x scope (once had a bullet which went through a 4" diameter tree before taking out a moving deer :eek:)

My latest one is a Stoeger Condor Outback O/U shotgun. Will be able to take on any large or small critters I expect to encounter in the bush (using slugs or shot), at typical bush ranges.
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Key characteristics for me are quick handling (short barrel, lightweight) and rapid instinctive shooting (iron sights, or low-power scope, such as 1-4x, 1.5-5x).
 
Grodz said:
I've used several bush/brush guns:
.303 Lee-Enfield Mark IV with iron sights
.270Win Brno ZKK-600 with 4x scope (once had a bullet which went through a 4" diameter tree before taking out a moving deer :eek:)

My latest one is a Stoeger Condor Outback O/U shotgun. Will be able to take on any large or small critters I expect to encounter in the bush (using slugs or shot), at typical bush ranges.
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Key characteristics for me are quick handling (short barrel, lightweight) and rapid instinctive shooting (iron sights, or low-power scope, such as 1-4x, 1.5-5x).
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Cool shotgun, what'd one of those set you back??
 
I think of a compact easy handling rifle that comes up to the shoulder quickly and is easy to sight quickly. Barrel length of not more than 22".The other thing I think of is a slower heavy bullet where you dont have to worry about bullet deflection. 303brit , 308win, 30-06sprg ...with 180 -200 gr bullet.no wsm's
Remington model 7 308win with good 4x wideangle scope would be something I would consider a great bush gun.
 
XC

You ruined it all!
Seriously.....Now I am gonna have to buy a second rifle to the one i just put a downpayment on.....Now I need a bush gun too

argggghhhhhh

thank gawd I am single-ish
lol
 
recovering,

Others have said it too, but it's a myth worth busting. I'm pretty sure a scope does not make for slower target acquisition.

If it is hard to find the target in a scope then either:
(1) the scope is too cheap and the optics are such that there is only a very restrictive window of where your eye has to be,
(2) its time to admit you need glasses 'cause you're getting far sighted. Perhaps this is why some people find a 'scout' configuration better?,
(3) the scope is too powerful for they type of shooting going on, or
(4) and probably most important, your scope is poorly mounted and/or your cheek weld is poor.

In my opinion target acquisition will be faster with a scoped 'bush gun' if the scope is of sufficient quality that it gathers light well.

RG

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xcaribooer said:
The other thing I think of is a slower heavy bullet where you dont have to worry about bullet deflection.
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I seriously doubt that ANY caliber bullet of ANY weight going at ANY velocity would be able to withstand twigs and branches w/o deflection. It's not physically possible.

This is a very popular bush gun myth that is right up there with the one that states that a shotgun with a longer bbl has more "reach". To repeat this myth is irresponsible as it will instill false confidence in those who don't know better in the thought that their special rifle/bullet combo will be able to shoot though brush. Wounding/lost game will result.

Sorry, but I cannot see it any other way.


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I think some better reasons for the big slower bullets are that flat trajectory isn't needed at close range, they seem to kill very well, and the bullet likely won't blow up on impact leaving a shallow, ineffective wound.
 
In my opinion, a BLR in 270 is no better a brush gun than a 22 inch barreled bolt action, or pump action, as it itself has a 22 inch barrel. It may cycle a bit faster than the bolt gun if the person using such gun is accustomed to using that action type, but if your used to groping for a bolt, a lever may actually be a bit of a hindrance. A bush gun needs to be short, and The BLR long action actually feels longer and heavier in my hands in comparison to an equivalent bolt action.
Mike
 
A quick check of the EE didn't turn one up, but to my mind the ultimate 'bush gun', especially if you want a lever, is a Savage 99 in 375 winchester. But if you're interested in a BLR, then maybe your tastes don't lean very much towards the looks of the '99.

RG

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Mike....

The BLR I am buying is a short action lever and the action is way quicker than a bolt for me....the only possible hinderance would be prone position which i never ussually shoot from.

I by no means claim BLR as a bush gun...itwas just mention ed in anotehr thread that it was an ok bush gun...so i was concerned what was meantby that in case i bought wrong gun for some unknown reason now i see it was a personal opinion for reasons that are variable....
 
recoveringunut said:
Mike....

The BLR I am buying is a short action lever and the action is way quicker than a bolt for me....the only possible hinderance would be prone position which i never ussually shoot from.

I by no means claim BLR as a bush gun...itwas just mention ed in anotehr thread that it was an ok bush gun...so i was concerned what was meantby that in case i bought wrong gun for some unknown reason now i see it was a personal opinion for reasons that are variable....
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I do not look favourably on my BLR as a bush gun ever since it froze up on me one winter while tracking a wounded moose. They are built to very fine tolerances, the lever is a gear with lots of teeth. Snow, ice, twigs and needles gummed up the action in -20C weather. When I had the shot, the hammer cocked but would not release, with a live round in the chamber.

If given the choice I use one of my 30/30s for the brush now, not becasue of the calibre but rather the guns, Win 94 and Stevens 325, both iron sights. I love my BLR but it is not my first choice for stomping the bushes in the snow.
 
recoveringunut said:
Mike....

The BLR I am buying is a short action lever and the action is way quicker than a bolt for me....the only possible hinderance would be prone position which i never ussually shoot from.

I by no means claim BLR as a bush gun...itwas just mention ed in anotehr thread that it was an ok bush gun...so i was concerned what was meantby that in case i bought wrong gun for some unknown reason now i see it was a personal opinion for reasons that are variable....
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Forgot that those things are made in wsm calibers; when I read 270; I automatically assume 270win.
If the BLR suits you, then that is probably the rifle that you should look at getting. Some people think that it's no problem to switch form one action to another, others don't. I personally am forever grabbing for the bolt if I need a quick second shot under stress; one exception seems to be pump action shotguns.
Mike
 
This 760 Carbine in .308 with 1.5x5 Leupold is the BE ALL & END ALL of bush guns. All others need not apply. :ninja:

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One of these 20" Model Seven CDLs in .308 would be a close second. This one is a .223 with 2x7 Leupold, but you all get the idea. :)

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Seabass,
In response to your question (post# 45), I got the Stoeger Outback from P&D Enterprises (see links at the top of the page) for $500.

Great little shotgun. Very versatile (removable chokes; shot or slugs) and compact (36" long overall, and 20" long when taken apart). Similar to a coach gun, but I prefer O/U (better barrel regulation, slimmer forend).

I'm looking for .22LR inserts to increase its versatility even more (easier to carry a box of 50x .22LR than 50x shotshells!).
 
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