Bushmaster ACR Non-Restricted Review & Range Report

I would like to get the NR version but do not want to make fvcking shims to make the rifle work. The SS barrell looks like sh!t on the rifle as well, why not a black one?
For now I will stick to my XCR (which is trouble free after 1000rnds,no loctite either,ever.)lol

A shim is not required for an ACR to make it work. The problem is specific to a few early units and certainly not with the current production models. My serial is in the 800's, while most of the restricted one's coming in now, or in the 5000's.

As for the XCR, I'd buy one if I thought it was worth it. Hell, I'd buy two. I like the way they look and feel, just not the way they shoot. IMHO, it will never be a MOA gun. The long stroke piston on the rifle, just whips the barrel around too much.

As for the barrel color, I don't mind it. However it will be going to Barret at Arma-Coat as soon as I get the shim replaced.
 
I would like to get the NR version but do not want to make fvcking shims to make the rifle work. The SS barrell looks like sh!t on the rifle as well, why not a black one?
For now I will stick to my XCR (which is trouble free after 1000rnds,no loctite either,ever.)lol

I was wondering when the XCR users would start trolling... So big deal; some (emphasis here) of the earlier ACRs may have this issue which is easily remedied by a thicker replacement washer/shim from Bushmaster (probably easy to get one made as well). It's still better than requiring a free lifetime supply of loctite... ;)

I would imagine he'll probably get the barrel arma-coated at some point, but I really appreciate him foregoing this in lieu of getting a detailed range out to us instead.

Why I think the ACR is better:
- Full-length top rail - no need for separate low profile rail ($$ savings)
- Multiple points for rails on the polymer hand guard ($$ savings)
- Removable BUIS; eliminates the need for separate riser/mount ($$ savings)
- Optional folding/collapsible stock with adjustable cheek riser ($$ savings)
- It's a Magpul (+kool-aid) :D
- NO loctite! (just kidding!)
 
What size shim do you need? I am fairly busy this week but I'm sure I could machine you one up and send it out. Or if you live close to okotoks you can have at it on my lathe.

OK, some people work quickly, and then there is P-J. A real credit to CGN. I'll post the fix with a future range report. Thanks again.

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Thanks for the report ####. I will be interested in how reliable it proves to be.

I think I'm going to take a serious look at this rifle as my go-to NR rifle since my XCR never really did it for me. Now if only a 6.5 or 6.8 conversion is available it might be a no brainer.

Ps: I think the stainless barrel looks alright.
 
####, do you know anymore details about Remington taking over production on the ACR?

Do you think this could mean better availability or perhaps even better pricing down the road through Remington Canada?

Thoughts?

All I know, is what I've read on the ACR forum, and AR15.com, and from speaking with a few CGN'ers. However, when I called Bushmaster I was directed to "Jan" in International Sales, and she answered the phone "Remington Arms, Jan speaking." I'm fairly certain the ACR's are now produced at Remington factories, and that Remington is responsible for the Military/LE development of the rifle. I have been informed that they are working on lighter weight components for the ACR, but how all of this will effect pricing is beyond me. Regardless, what Canadian retailers choose to charge for new ACR parts may be entirely different then what the US MSRP'S look like. I'm pretty much just researching and speculating right now, like everyone else.
 
I was wondering when the XCR users would start trolling... So big deal; some (emphasis here) of the earlier ACRs may have this issue which is easily remedied by a thicker replacement washer/shim from Bushmaster (probably easy to get one made as well). It's still better than requiring a free lifetime supply of loctite... ;)

I would imagine he'll probably get the barrel arma-coated at some point, but I really appreciate him foregoing this in lieu of getting a detailed range out to us instead.


- Full-length top rail - no need for separate low profile rail ($$ savings)
- Multiple points for rails on the polymer hand guard ($$ savings)
- Removable BUIS; eliminates the need for separate riser/mount ($$ savings)
- Optional folding/collapsible stock with adjustable cheek riser ($$ savings)
- It's a Magpul (+kool-aid) :D
- NO loctite! (just kidding!)


HAHAHAHA! This is going to be too funny. AR guys dumping on XCR guys who will dump on ACR guys who will dump on SA guys ...and the world goes round and round.

Seriously, hope the ACR makes it as well as the XCR-M and the RFB. For me its about choice. No need to worry about the SA - its carved out its niche.

For me to consider the ACR though three things have to work:

1. price has to come down! Its in the realm of the SA and is a Bushmaster! Calling it a Remington won't help either. Might even make it worse now that Remington is owned by a holding company. A 6.8 XCR-L is what $2400 and a .308 RFB a little less but there's a waiting list so real price to get one is probably higher. Last time I looked the .223 ACR was a $3125 gun.

2. Bushmaster or someone has got to make that conversion to 6.8 possible without cannibalizing parts from the .223 set up. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here but as I understand it its not just a simple barrel swap.

3. Its got to be reliable. I'm waiting for reliability reports especially in the winter (same goes for the RFB). If its prone to jams or doesn't cycle when its -15 t0 -30 then its useless to me.

For those with deep pockets that collect black rifles or only want a range gun (whether a real range or a gravel pit) then the ACR may carve out a niche like the SAs, Tavors, SCARs, etc. Sure you can shoot gophers and yotes with a .223 ACR but heck that would be a pretty expensive gopher gun. If its meant to compete strictly on a licensed rifle range guns well the AR has won that battle unless you're a member of the aforementioned deep pocket crowd.

For the deer hunters that want a black rifle to hunt with (me) then the ACR in 6.8 SPC is competing with the XCR-L, XCR-M and RFB with only the XCR-L having a proven track record (thank you Camp Cook and others). I'm excluding the CZ 858 (not really a black rifle but close once customized and its $700 base price leaves a lot of money to customize, and 7.62x39mm cartridge is good enuff but not the same as 6.8 SPC or .308; might be interesting to see where the CZ evolves) and exotic expensive assault rifles like the Valmet. I'm no gun designer but I would think a .308 ACR would be the big thing but I'm guessing a redesign not in the immediate works for a new rifle which seems to have been designed to compete with the AR.

And about those $$ savings - the base price difference between the .223 ACR and the XCR-L is over $700. Add what another $200 or so for a 6.8 barrel. Thats almost a grand. Sure you get a Magpul stock but a CTR is what $120 and a UBR $250 or so. Add the price of a buffer tube assembly and you can outfit your XCR with a Magpul for $350 or less. That still leaves money for loctite or some ACR shims. (just kidding!)

Just my opinions - you don't have to share them or even like them. Looking forward to a range report on the ACR in 6.8 SPC.
 
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Does it function reliably with magazine hitting/touching the ground while prone??

I never rest my magazine on the ground while shooting prone. I used to get screamed at in the Army for doing that. That being said I can try it on my next range outing. That probably won't be until Friday.
 
This rifle is really growing on me...

Perhaps NEA will develop a new 6061 machined lower? One that can accept AR grips and stocks... Hey maby even a new tri-rail hand guard thats as long or longer then the regular MOE style hand guard. This unit looks sooo much better with the longer barrel and longer hand guard, compared to the XCR that just looks goofy with the NR barrel...

Good opportunity to develop this rifle none the less...
 
This rifle is really growing on me...

Perhaps NEA will develop a new 6061 machined lower? One that can accept AR grips and stocks... Hey maby even a new tri-rail hand guard thats as long or longer then the regular MOE style hand guard. This unit looks sooo much better with the longer barrel and longer hand guard, compared to the XCR that just looks goofy with the NR barrel...

Good opportunity to develop this rifle none the less...

I agree, there is a lot of parts development opportunities for this rifle. As long as the action and gas system prove to reliable in the long run, and it is a consistent MOA gun, with a good barrel, then it will be an excellent platform to build on and develop. That's the problem with the other NR black rifles in Canada, their barrel's are either not free floated, or the piston system creates too much barrel movement, leading to less accuracy. I'm optimistic that those prerequisites have been met already, but I'll judge my rifle on it own merits from my own experiences with it, and leave the "which NR rifle is the best" arguments to the forum.

If you look at the Remington ACR handguard, it is metal and protrudes further out then the regular tri-rail. It is also more modular, like the MOE guard.

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I think in the near future, we will see:

- Aftermarket aluminum selector. (See the Remington alternate lower).
- More barrel options, with perhaps a different locking lever, or trunion.
- More rail options (See Rem ACR pic above).
- More trigger pack options, with perhaps a straight drop in pack from Timney.
- Geissele now sells a Super ACR trigger, which is essentially a SSA, with a different spring. http://geissele.com/superacr.aspx
- Remington also offers a different lower which appears to be metal. We may see it in the future.

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I'd also be into an aluminum lower, but to be honest, the polymer lower is just fine.
 
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If you look at the Remington ACR handguard, it is metal and protrudes further out then the regular tri-rail. It is also more modular, like the MOE guard.

That's interesting. I haven't really checked out the Remington ACR.

- Aftermarket aluminum selector.
- More barrel options, with perhaps a different locking lever, or trunion.
- More rail options.
- More trigger pack options, with perhaps a straight drop in pack from Timney.
- Geissele now sells a Super ACR trigger, which is essentially a SSA, with a different spring.

These would be great. A BAD A.S.S. would be fantastic on these. I've heard next year for barrel assemblies (fingers crossed). Judging from the range report, I imagine the Geissele would be a great fit for this rifle. I'm actually content with the polymer hand guard and I think I actually prefer it over the stock aluminium tri-trail (especially with the longer barrel). There are lots of mounting points for the Magpul MOE rails, so there's still plenty of real estate for accessories.

I'd also be into an aluminum lower, but to be honest, the polymer lower is just fine.

I like the Magpul kool-aid as well. The grip is essentially a hybrid MOE pistol grip anyway, the trigger guard is elongated and it's got a really easy setup for removing the stock (which I think is slick; 2 pins and it's off). I'd never want to go back to the tedious stock setup for the AR15; the one on the ACR is far superior.
 
I was wondering when the XCR users would start trolling... So big deal; some (emphasis here) of the earlier ACRs may have this issue which is easily remedied by a thicker replacement washer/shim from Bushmaster (probably easy to get one made as well). It's still better than requiring a free lifetime supply of loctite... ;)

I would imagine he'll probably get the barrel arma-coated at some point, but I really appreciate him foregoing this in lieu of getting a detailed range out to us instead.


- Full-length top rail - no need for separate low profile rail ($$ savings)
- Multiple points for rails on the polymer hand guard ($$ savings)
- Removable BUIS; eliminates the need for separate riser/mount ($$ savings)
- Optional folding/collapsible stock with adjustable cheek riser ($$ savings)
- It's a Magpul (+kool-aid) :D
- NO loctite! (just kidding!)

I would rather use a little loctite(which I have never had to( , then make custom shims for my rifle.:)
In all seriousnes I still like the ACR, but will wait a bit before the bugs are out, just like the XCR's. Both have thier problems..lol Carry on. Trolling ACR threads will be payback for the XCR trollers.:)(I kidd).
 
I would rather use a little loctite(which I have never had to( , then make custom shims for my rifle.:)
In all seriousnes I still like the ACR, but will wait a bit before the bugs are out, just like the XCR's. Both have thier problems..lol Carry on. Trolling ACR threads will be payback for the XCR trollers.:)(I kidd).

Really?!? you'd rather have a loctite problem then a barrel shim problem? :eek:

:p
 
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