Good news is that yesterday Remington officially filed for bankruptcy and they have stated that they are planning on selling their assets. The ACR may have a comeback.
Bushmaster ACR prohibited now?
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Good news is that yesterday Remington officially filed for bankruptcy and they have stated that they are planning on selling their assets. The ACR may have a comeback.
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There you go ... enough said ... next please.
Zero issues with the ACR and very accurate in DMR form. My X95 has had significantly more failures to feed and significantly less accurate but thats expected so not newsworthy. Also not as smooth in function alone. Just the wear patterns on the bolts illustrate it. My X95 bolt carrier was bad right out of the box. The bolt carrier on the acr moves like its on ceramic bearings. Not so much on the x95 as there is significant rubbing of charging handle. Both running Giessele triggers (and trigger bow). So there's an anecdotal tidbit. Both nice rifles but having both for a while w well over 1k through both id pick the acr (older one mind you) as a better made rifle.
I hope they come back and are imported again soon. I would buy another in a heartbeat. Definitely a solid rifle if the specs are met by manufacturer.
I hope they come back and are imported again soon. I would buy another in a heartbeat. Definitely a solid rifle if the specs are met by manufacturer.
Think that company had trouble importing in the past and got their hands slapped
Never mind, disregard this.
Navajo Nation is going to buy Remington, and they have vowed to stop selling “assault weapons” to civilians. They are solely focusing on LEO and Military contracts. The ACR is dead.
Magpul sold the license to the worst possible company..
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I wonder what Navajo Nation is thinking by buying all the lawsuits filed against Remington? Do they know something we don't? Usually,companies facing that kind of liability wouldn't be touched by anyone with a ten-foot pole. Are they expecting the law suits to all fail which is a distinct possibility? If the plaintiffs prevail,every company in America that makes even a remotely dangerous product (GM,Ford,Toyota come to mind),none of them would be safe from frivolous laws suits.
They may structure the purchase in such a way that it is really an asset purchase, the legal company that is engaging in the legal issue may just wind down after all the assets are sold, ie the old company is gone and the "newly" purchased Remington will be a totally new legal company.
From NYT - their first try was 2018
“Navajo has over 70 percent unemployment,” Mr. Ryce wrote. “Over the next few years we would shift the assembly (i.e. lesser trained) parts of the business onto the reservation.”
"The tribe planned to use profits from those businesses to invest in research and development of advanced “smart guns”
"But the Navajo Nation would have had an advantage in sales for police and military contracts. Not only must a certain percentage of government business go to minority-owned companies, but the Native American Incentive Act also confers certain other advantages, according to the American Bar Association."
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That would be my guess as well ; sometimes the hassle and risk is just not worth it . There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason as to why some guns are being prohibited now when even the little Mossberg 715T 22 was deemed prohibited . It would be a tough time for gun dealers and importers to be in business when everything is so unstable .
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People wanting to comply so badthey are making up laws...lol.. Who is the #### waffle that you used ?
Yeah, business's hate making money.
If you google foo is good, you can find posting made by an ex-remington employee that spilled the real beans on the ACR.
Remington only made the barrel ( which is the same AR barrel used by Bushmaster AR ). All other parts are made by subcontractors. Magpul made all the plastics. They sent the barrels out to have the gas block and trunnion installed by the subcontractors. Remington just did the final assembly and box em up. Near the end, Remington had so much ACR parts stuck inventory and it is seriously tying up the money, some parts dated back to 2013......and Remington was only pushing out 16 to 70 rifle a day when they run the ACR shift.
Theoretically, any company that is willing to make ACR can do so with enough money to basically follow the same model as Remington - the subcontractors have most of the actual manufacturing expertise of the rifle itself. The only thing needed is a new assembly line, if the company is already an establish manufacturer. Basically, most AR manufacturers can actually "assemble" ACR.
But ACR as a "military" or "LE" system is dead. There is really no reason for Remington to hold on to it. So anyone who picked up the ACR is probably 100% civilian, maybe doing 3000 to 5000 rifles a year. I guess it is ok for a small manufacturer. A mid sized AR - general manufacturer pushed out that number of firearms in a week.
Now you can see why ACR was neglected as sort of a side project by Remington and it is difficult for anyone to pick it up. For a mid to large company, 3000 to 5000 units is a distraction to the real money making products. For a small company, the licensing is probably too expensive and counting almost 100% on subs-contractors could be tricky in scheduling and capital utilization - these are not AR parts that are made in high volume one way or the other. Missing just one part, all your money is tied up because you cannot sell a single rifle - that goes back to the probable reason why Remington had so much ACR parts in the first place.
This is why I am not optimistic we will see ACR again, at least in the near future.
Remington only made the barrel ( which is the same AR barrel used by Bushmaster AR ). All other parts are made by subcontractors. Magpul made all the plastics. They sent the barrels out to have the gas block and trunnion installed by the subcontractors. Remington just did the final assembly and box em up. Near the end, Remington had so much ACR parts stuck inventory and it is seriously tying up the money, some parts dated back to 2013......and Remington was only pushing out 16 to 70 rifle a day when they run the ACR shift.
Theoretically, any company that is willing to make ACR can do so with enough money to basically follow the same model as Remington - the subcontractors have most of the actual manufacturing expertise of the rifle itself. The only thing needed is a new assembly line, if the company is already an establish manufacturer. Basically, most AR manufacturers can actually "assemble" ACR.
But ACR as a "military" or "LE" system is dead. There is really no reason for Remington to hold on to it. So anyone who picked up the ACR is probably 100% civilian, maybe doing 3000 to 5000 rifles a year. I guess it is ok for a small manufacturer. A mid sized AR - general manufacturer pushed out that number of firearms in a week.
Now you can see why ACR was neglected as sort of a side project by Remington and it is difficult for anyone to pick it up. For a mid to large company, 3000 to 5000 units is a distraction to the real money making products. For a small company, the licensing is probably too expensive and counting almost 100% on subs-contractors could be tricky in scheduling and capital utilization - these are not AR parts that are made in high volume one way or the other. Missing just one part, all your money is tied up because you cannot sell a single rifle - that goes back to the probable reason why Remington had so much ACR parts in the first place.
This is why I am not optimistic we will see ACR again, at least in the near future.
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Production issues aside, it is a real shame that the ACR has been discontinued along with the entire Bushmaster line. The ACR remains to this day one of the most modular and ergonomic long-guns in existence. Add to that, impressive reliability and decent accuracy, and it would seem to be an overall excellent firearm based in solid and proven design principles (eg. Short-Stroke Piston operation, Rotating-Bolt lock-up, ambi controls, etc).
Weight aside, there is very little not to like about the ACR. And even the weight is not too bad when compared to other, fully-accessorized firearms designs. It is the ACR's massive steel Trunnion with quick-change Barrel capability which is responsible for the ACR's girth, so it is a deliberate trade-off of portability versus adaptibility.
The biggest challenge arising from the cessation of production is the lack of spare parts, as already exemplified by a severe shortage of the outstanding ACR Buttstock for various firearm conversions. Hopefully the many subcontractors formerly responsible for key ACR component production will maintain a modest stock of critical.spare parts (eg. Butstocks, Firing Pins, Bolts, Op Rods, Springs, etc). Failing that, existing stocks will inevably dwindle and prices will surely rise. Like many other "savvy" ACR owners, I have already invested in a small stockpile of critical spare parts for a rainy day. The reliability and durability of my Ilion, NY- manufactured ACR .have been excellent during the past 7 or 8 years that I have owned it. As a result of it's enviable performance and reliability record to date, I am confident that my rifle will continue to serve me well into the forseeable future regardless of whether or not fresh supplies of spare parts are forthcoming. Your mileage may vary depending on where and when your ACR was manufactured....
Weight aside, there is very little not to like about the ACR. And even the weight is not too bad when compared to other, fully-accessorized firearms designs. It is the ACR's massive steel Trunnion with quick-change Barrel capability which is responsible for the ACR's girth, so it is a deliberate trade-off of portability versus adaptibility.
The biggest challenge arising from the cessation of production is the lack of spare parts, as already exemplified by a severe shortage of the outstanding ACR Buttstock for various firearm conversions. Hopefully the many subcontractors formerly responsible for key ACR component production will maintain a modest stock of critical.spare parts (eg. Butstocks, Firing Pins, Bolts, Op Rods, Springs, etc). Failing that, existing stocks will inevably dwindle and prices will surely rise. Like many other "savvy" ACR owners, I have already invested in a small stockpile of critical spare parts for a rainy day. The reliability and durability of my Ilion, NY- manufactured ACR .have been excellent during the past 7 or 8 years that I have owned it. As a result of it's enviable performance and reliability record to date, I am confident that my rifle will continue to serve me well into the forseeable future regardless of whether or not fresh supplies of spare parts are forthcoming. Your mileage may vary depending on where and when your ACR was manufactured....
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Good news is that parts are still coming. Gravel Agency told me that they will get some parts (including 556 bolts/BCGs) later this summer.
