Bushmaster?
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I own 2 bushmasters, and love them both. They tend to cost a little more than stag from what I've seen, but when I researched before I bought (2 years ago now) they had a better reputation than most manufacturers or there was at least more info available.
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Cerberus Capital Management owns DPMS, Remington and Bushmaster, along with Chrylser and a whole lot of other companies.
Bushmaster used to be one of the better AR makers. but as of the last few years, their quality has been reported as not as good as they were.
Bushmaster used to be one of the better AR makers. but as of the last few years, their quality has been reported as not as good as they were.
The only way to find out if its a good gun is to run it through its paces with a high round count. I plan on doing that this weekend at a carbine clinic held by osacanada at milcun marksmanship range and again at tactical response this september...permits permiting.
One thing to consider when you are talking about any of the AR manufacturers... and it's something that most people don't really stop to think about...
The quality of a gun made a year ago... 2 years ago... five years ago... may or may not be the same as the quality of the guns that the same manufacturer is building and shipping today.
I owned Bushmasters made in the 1990's and the ones I had were fantastic... then there was a period when production slipped and a lot of guns got delivered with "issues". Later those issues were resolved. Date of production makes a difference. This same issue has plaqued most manufacturers (RRA, COLT, LMT, etc.) and anyone who says that a manufacturer has NEVER HAD A PROBLEM is full of you know what
Also, keep in mind that over time companies change their policies... they change their testing methods, materials used, specs, etc.. This may be for a variety of reasons (availability, cost, suppliers of sub-components, etc.) so what was being built a year ago is usually not identical to what's being built today. Again this applies to everyone.
Many of the AR manufacturers have reduced their costs by substituting less expensive components, reducing or elminating testing protocols, etc. in order to be "competitive" in the civilian market. As they do that the quality of the product may well suffer, especially if they only test a small percentage of their guns and parts (rather than testing all of them)... only a few manufacturers actually test every gun since this adds to the cost and makes the product more expensive.
This all works in reverse too... a company that had "issues" a few years ago may well have resolved those issues and today be producing quality product... just because the one someone bought 5 or 10 years ago had a huge problem doesn't mean that the guns being produced today will be the same... in fact it's highly unlikely they'd still be in business if they hadn't resolved those issues.
Just something to think about when you're listening to other people's recommendations.
Mark
The quality of a gun made a year ago... 2 years ago... five years ago... may or may not be the same as the quality of the guns that the same manufacturer is building and shipping today.
I owned Bushmasters made in the 1990's and the ones I had were fantastic... then there was a period when production slipped and a lot of guns got delivered with "issues". Later those issues were resolved. Date of production makes a difference. This same issue has plaqued most manufacturers (RRA, COLT, LMT, etc.) and anyone who says that a manufacturer has NEVER HAD A PROBLEM is full of you know what
Also, keep in mind that over time companies change their policies... they change their testing methods, materials used, specs, etc.. This may be for a variety of reasons (availability, cost, suppliers of sub-components, etc.) so what was being built a year ago is usually not identical to what's being built today. Again this applies to everyone.
Many of the AR manufacturers have reduced their costs by substituting less expensive components, reducing or elminating testing protocols, etc. in order to be "competitive" in the civilian market. As they do that the quality of the product may well suffer, especially if they only test a small percentage of their guns and parts (rather than testing all of them)... only a few manufacturers actually test every gun since this adds to the cost and makes the product more expensive.
This all works in reverse too... a company that had "issues" a few years ago may well have resolved those issues and today be producing quality product... just because the one someone bought 5 or 10 years ago had a huge problem doesn't mean that the guns being produced today will be the same... in fact it's highly unlikely they'd still be in business if they hadn't resolved those issues.
Just something to think about when you're listening to other people's recommendations.
Mark
the way I see it - they all work relatively well until the day you picked a lemon.
Stag and Armalite are supported by dealers with factory parts in inventory. Armseast and Wolverine are all capable of doing any depot level repair unless something is really wrong - and I trust them to be able to do the same or if not better jobs than the factory. I do not know the repairing capabilities of Questar, but I have had problems before and Questar gave me an exchange immediately so I do not think it will be an issue. Since Questar has complete control over their own logistics - things seem to move fast with these guys and even if there is a factory return it should be quite fast.
Bushmaster is imported by a North Sylvia - if you have a problem - it probably will go to Ontario first and then being shipped back to the factory in Maine. I have a M&P problem and basicly they just refer me to someone else.
I have gone through a few different brands of ARs in my life - they all problem at one point. Buddy has an out of spec bolt with Armalite, Wolverine just replaced it out of inventory. I had problems with STAG, Walt just replaced it out of inventory. I had problem with LMT - Mark at Questar replaced it out of inventory. I had problem with Bushmaster - it got bounced a few times between the distributor and the factory, before i told BM I was sick of it they better replace the whole thing. I had problems with Colt - I was on my own to fix it.
Stag and Armalite are supported by dealers with factory parts in inventory. Armseast and Wolverine are all capable of doing any depot level repair unless something is really wrong - and I trust them to be able to do the same or if not better jobs than the factory. I do not know the repairing capabilities of Questar, but I have had problems before and Questar gave me an exchange immediately so I do not think it will be an issue. Since Questar has complete control over their own logistics - things seem to move fast with these guys and even if there is a factory return it should be quite fast.
Bushmaster is imported by a North Sylvia - if you have a problem - it probably will go to Ontario first and then being shipped back to the factory in Maine. I have a M&P problem and basicly they just refer me to someone else.
I have gone through a few different brands of ARs in my life - they all problem at one point. Buddy has an out of spec bolt with Armalite, Wolverine just replaced it out of inventory. I had problems with STAG, Walt just replaced it out of inventory. I had problem with LMT - Mark at Questar replaced it out of inventory. I had problem with Bushmaster - it got bounced a few times between the distributor and the factory, before i told BM I was sick of it they better replace the whole thing. I had problems with Colt - I was on my own to fix it.
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Greentips...
We have quite an extensive inventory of factory parts (LMT, RRA and others) that are kept separate from our "sales" inventory and used strictly for repair work since we do work on various LE department guns (in and out of warranty... both our own product and guns sold to them by others).
We have 2 certified M16/AR15 Armorers here... so repairs are not an issue. Almost nothing goes back to the US. In the event of a failure (warranty) of RRA or LMT product the manufacturers are fantastic... we use our own parts/inventory to replace it... then the factory sends us a replacement.
I might also point out that the one issue you had with the LMT we sold you was cosmetic if memory serves... not a function issue.
Mark
We have quite an extensive inventory of factory parts (LMT, RRA and others) that are kept separate from our "sales" inventory and used strictly for repair work since we do work on various LE department guns (in and out of warranty... both our own product and guns sold to them by others
).We have 2 certified M16/AR15 Armorers here... so repairs are not an issue. Almost nothing goes back to the US. In the event of a failure (warranty) of RRA or LMT product the manufacturers are fantastic... we use our own parts/inventory to replace it... then the factory sends us a replacement.
I might also point out that the one issue you had with the LMT we sold you was cosmetic if memory serves... not a function issue.
Mark
