Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 SF

dlau, it is not just the extra mag that you gain with the elite 4200. It is the optical clarity and resolution.

You really got to spend some time with these scopes to appreciate how good the glass is.

Leuppy makes some very nice products but they are significantly more expensive for the performance.

The VXII is more like the 3200 series. The VXIII and higher grades are in the 4200 range. These cost well over $1000Cdn.

Jerry
 
Thanks Jerry, I really appreciate your, and everyone else's input. It's solidified my decision to get this scope... should be a good match for the Savage I'm planning to mount it on.

Derek

mysticplayer said:
dlau, it is not just the extra mag that you gain with the elite 4200. It is the optical clarity and resolution.

You really got to spend some time with these scopes to appreciate how good the glass is.

Leuppy makes some very nice products but they are significantly more expensive for the performance.

The VXII is more like the 3200 series. The VXIII and higher grades are in the 4200 range. These cost well over $1000Cdn.

Jerry
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ILoveBigRacks said:
Mine didn't come with a sunshade though curiously enough. I know the older parallax adj. ones did so not sure why it was omitted from this one in the pkg.
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Bushnell does not make a sunshade for the 6-24 SF model. Cannot get one even if you wanted to....I tried!
 
dpopl8r said:
Bushnell does not make a sunshade for the 6-24 SF model. Cannot get one even if you wanted to....I tried!
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Thanks for the info. Turns out I'm selling mine for now anyways. Never did get around to mounting it and rather than having it sit on a shelf I'll just sell it and buy another when the time comes. Too much time at work right now, not enough time at the range, just can't justify it right now :( .
 
The Elevation adj is 26" at 100 yards. What would be needed to get .308 to 800+ yards?

Derek

mysticplayer said:
Essentially, this scope is the 2.5X10 chassis with the 6X24 turrents and optics stuffed in. A very compact 6X24 scope. I got an early production model and was not pleased with the optics. It had way more edge distortion then my many other 4200 scopes.

It has gone back to Bushnell for service.

As a rule, I consider the 4200 optics and mechanicals the best buy on the scope market today. Elevation adjustment is a bit light for LR shooters but serve just about everyone elses needs just fine.

I do alot of scope dialing in my LR shooting and these turrents are wonderful.

Get the scope, you will be impressed. Higginson usually has a good inventory and really good pricing on Bushnells. I don't think you will need to pay over $700 at your door.

Jerry
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dlau said:
The Elevation adj is 26" at 100 yards. What would be needed to get .308 to 800+ yards?

Derek
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Derek, it all depends your barrel length, the bullet you use and velocity it goes, but since you say 800+ yds, you will use all of that.

Even using a 200 yd zero, 26" is approx. 24.8 MOA of adj and you will need 12 moa up from 100 for 600yds and 12 more moa up for 800 yds (approx) with a 308 using 168's and 175's, then you need another 6 moa to 900 and another 6moa to 1000, approx.... depends on how far you what to go past the 800... I would recommend Burris Zee's with +/-20's if you are going to do alot of your shooting past the 800 mark and I do not recommend 168's past 800.
 
dlau said:
The Elevation adj is 26" at 100 yards. What would be needed to get .308 to 800+ yards?

Derek
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The problem may not be dialing out to 800 + yards (dialing + mils will get you there), it is just that when dialed to near maximum elevation (which you will need to do with such limited elevation range), the optics are working at the outer limits of their range and alignment, and no scope works optimally at these extremes. As such, I would say this scope is a good idea, just not the best choice as a long range scope.
 
Sorry, but that is not exactly correct. In some scopes that have 'old' tech to move the erector unit, the lense can be misaligned at full travel. This has caused optical distortion.

There are new styles to move that erector tube that reduce and/or eliminate that problem.

Also, because the Elite does have somewhat limited travel, this also means that the erector unit is moved a little bit. There is no apparent difference in optical quality at any extreme of travel.

I set up scopes up so that at full down elevation, I have a zero that is beyond 100yds. Allows me to dial up as far as I want to go.

I have never experienced any distortion while doing this. Very nice scopes.

Jerry
 
Sorry for all the newbie questions- and if this thread should belong in the Precision forum, please let me know.

So my understanding is that this scope at zero can adjust 12 up/12 down. For a .308 to get out to 1000 yards say, I'll need it to go up 36 (given the data from Kodiak.)

So if I use a tapered base or Burris Sig rings, I can adjust 20MOA... so with the base the most I can adjust upward is 32... still short of the needed 36.

If I adjust the scope to -10 (not the full 12 down) and I use a 10MOA shim to zero at 100, then I could go up 22... which is still short of 36.

I guess the net result is I can't set this scope up to go from 100 yards out to 1000?

My goal is to build something that could be used for BCRA Tactical Rifle http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126246 and some longer range fun. Probably not this year, but we'll try for next. :)
 
One of these Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 SF scopes, which the original post was all about, may work fine if you get the mil dot reticle and hold accordingly once you run out of elevation and have it setup so 100 is near bottom of the evelvation adjustment setting. You should be able to get to +/-800 yds and then use the next drop down (approx 5 moa I think, you would have to check the scope manual) and then just hold 1 moa high at the 900, same for 1000, aim 2 dots down high in the black(DCRA prone type target). I have not tried this but I can not see why it would not work fine for those looking at going the "distance" with one of these scopes, IMO. :rockOn:
 
Kodiak is on the right track. You just set up your 'near' zero using the center of the reticle or the first/second UPPER mil dot with the scope at full DOWN. Use the Burris shims to adjust for this zero.

Now you dial up for the center for your most common distances and use the lower dots for ranges beyond.

Doing this, I have gone from 300m to 1600m using the dots and turrents on my 6.5 mystic. That is what the dots are there for, besides ranging. Use them as additional aiming points.

By properly using the dots and turrent, you have 66 min of elevation change at 12X. More if willing to use the scope under 12X. Less is using a higher mag.
Jerry
 
Thanks everyone, I finally understand. :) The amount and quality of information on this site is amazing.

btw, this particular model has 40" elevation, not 26".

Derek
 
I get nosebleeds when I look at the price of scopes.

I picked up a Bushnell Banner 2-24x40 (71-6244) and I've been really pleased with it. I've had it mounted on my M70 and then moved it to my Tikka T3 Tac and routinely zig 1x3" metal targets at 200 yds with little effort. I also use it as my primary hunting scope as well. Its a little heavier and longer than the 4200, and obviously not as bright, but, its definitely bang for your buck. Got mine on sale at Epps for $200.
 
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Argh. Double Bummer. At least they can update their website. I think I'll give them a call tomorrow and try to get a definitive answer. If it was 40 min, this scope would be near, if not best in class.

Derek


mysticplayer said:
That is a misprint on the Bushnell site. Same internals as the AO scope so 26 to 30 min of travel.

Bummer. Their 07 scopes may address this but no details till Aprilish?

Jerry
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