Out 70 the Model 70? Explain that. lol.
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researched em both out a little while ago, every review possible and then forums where people had experiences with both and could go into nuances about safety, trigger etc, I forget some of it but a couple things I recollect in new 70 trigger is new and not like the loved old one and the new ruger one is more like the old 70 trigger, and the safety was liked better on the ruger (maybe only if quieter), otherwise still close in many respects but learn more about the barrel, rifling type, chamber etc. (match levels) and bedding/floating since I like to set up to go a little longer and have it done right out of the box (no smithing needed) it was the ruger that made my list for 'one day' and the 70's did not, I also like wood stainless and 20" for 308 and ruger did that right as well, threaded for suppressors was also a bonus as we are the great state of Canada so suppressors are coming....anyway, read all the Hawkeye hunter reviews or watch the video reviews and they shoot, and they got all 77 peccadilloes of old fixed like the trip for the hinged floor plate can't be tripped by finger under recoil etc. and I believe the 70 is good there also, so maybe depending on some rifle specific cartridges and configurations we are picking fly #### from pepper but I saw the Hawkeye as this article did when I was done all my usual ocd levels of research that it is the better 70
https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/ruger-m77-hawkeye-vs-winchester-model-70/83497
I don’t need to read reviews. I’ve used an extensive amount of both of them. I still don’t know what out 70ing the 70 means.researched em both out a little while ago, every review possible and then forums where people had experiences with both and could go into nuances about safety, trigger etc, I forget some of it but a couple things I recollect in new 70 trigger is new and not like the loved old one and the new ruger one is more like the old 70 trigger, and the safety was liked better on the ruger (maybe only if quieter), otherwise still close in many respects but learn more about the barrel, rifling type, chamber etc. (match levels) and bedding/floating since I like to set up to go a little longer and have it done right out of the box (no smithing needed) it was the ruger that made my list for 'one day' and the 70's did not, I also like wood stainless and 20" for 308 and ruger did that right as well, threaded for suppressors was also a bonus as we are the great state of Canada so suppressors are coming....anyway, read all the Hawkeye hunter reviews or watch the video reviews and they shoot, and they got all 77 peccadilloes of old fixed like the trip for the hinged floor plate can't be tripped by finger under recoil etc. and I believe the 70 is good there also, so maybe depending on some rifle specific cartridges and configurations we are picking fly #### from pepper but I saw the Hawkeye as this article did when I was done all my usual ocd levels of research that it is the better 70
https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/ruger-m77-hawkeye-vs-winchester-model-70/83497
They paused production several years ago and since they came back have been similar to 870 express quality. Look ok, just a lot of little weird issues burrs sharp edges, soft springs that kind of thing
Two things that almost never make sense to me to buy new in Canada are good firearms and good motorcycles. So many barely used ones available in great condition and often tax free. Given a downtrend on quality, older ones might be the better bet anyway.
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It is honestly really hard to beat a sporterized milsurp as a “forever rifle”. They are old, cheap and have lasted forever so far and will last that much longer or more. Something built on a large ring Mauser action or 96 Mauser like a husqvarna or stiga. Or a bubbad lee enfield or Mosin or whatever. Buy a nice stock for it that fits you. Or buy a Ruger m77 in 308 and be done with it. If you’re going to keep it forever pay the extr 200 for the stainless model
You know me too well to know that would never happen! LOL
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It means the new 70 doesn’t out 70 the old 70 but the new Ruger Hawkeye out 70’s both of them. One made my list, the other didn’t. Op can do his own research and make his own call lol. Be nice to afford it all and make your own reviews, not all have that kind of time or cash or desire. That’s why we talk and share online and read reviews and process to our own conclusions best we can. You can get pretty good at it.
Didn’t say they new 70 or old 70 were bad...we can ignore the pushfeeds, I think that’s what you were wanting hear perhaps? Carry on.
There’s a guy out there on the fire that just loves grabbing used kimbers for a steal that won’t ‘shoot’. He details all the common issues after full disassembly and basically rebuilds them, shortens screws too long, mods mag box to as it should be, beds em etc. Then they shoot when he’s done.
Some guys love faafo projects on deals so there’s you horse for a crf.
Some just want it sound out of the box. The older I get the more sound out of the box without a faafo lottery I lean towards. Ymmv
Op doesn’t sound like he’s interested in faafo options. Just offered opinion from one obsessive researcher gear junky to the op on the Hawkeye Hunter to put on his list and go dig for himself as I didn’t notice if it was mentioned to him. Don’t have to get used if he don’t want to get used but still find high chance of a sound crf quality long lasting 308. That’s all. Not here to argue. Just share for the op ask.
Also seeing those newest brownings but never have been a browning guy but for a more modern set up I’d have to look, probably like one more than my Tikka, for a middle class that had some plastic bits(magazine etc). I’m into Sako 90 peak 308 now and love it, was drilling at 600 on weekend with factory eldm ammo, I’m done so to speak but will still have backups, kids rifles and other projects but the Sako is a few more Bob than op budget. Got Tikka, howa, and ruger American in house also all shoot tight but not alpha on the more intangibles and features. I skipped right over the crf class but almost grabbed the Hawkeye but decided last second to step up to the 90 lol, the Ruger Hawkeye Hunter was my choice in that middle class though.
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