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Good questions! I am not sure who came up with the 1 January 1898 date. I suspect it may have something to do with the invention of cordite - the first smokeless propellant which made guns a lot more powerful.
Wasn't cordite invented by the English a few years after the French came up with smokeless?
 
What about the rcmp getting laid off here in Alberta. I know some are sportsman. They hunt. Do they have PAL or was rcmp their only license? They are getting laid off. Pretty traumatic. Does it take them two years to get a pal? What about divorce and alcohol rates of rcmp. Very stressful stuff. How does this effect their gun license.
Also why do they have right to self defense but not you or i? When they go home at night maybe they should leave their guns at the police station. Of course brinks drivers apparently have right to self defense and they are not peace officers. Spca is now packing heavy for combat. I guess if I get robbed I will call spca for help. It's funny how some of us have rights and others Don't.
 
So police charge because they are clueless about the laws and antique guns. The innocent man has to spend thousands on lawyers and wait years for a court date. He then proves he was innocent because alot of antique are cut and dry antiques. Built 1880 shipped to Australia police 1882 etc. So a Google search by police would have told them everything but no. Handcuffs and humiliation for the guy. Two years of talk and gossip about him by public. Goes to court after great expense and proved innocent so now he finally gets his dinged up and scuffed up antique back. That's real justice. Plus why isn't this false arrest? Charge police for false arrest and throw them in jail until provin innocent. Freeze their bank accounts. Ransacked their houses looking for more guns to confiscate. Oh but I forgot about thin blue line and laws only matter if they can use them to screw over some hard working taxpayer who hasn't hurt anyone in his whole life
Lot of speculation here.
How often has this happened? Please give details of cases as you have described.
 
What about the rcmp getting laid off here in Alberta. I know some are sportsman. They hunt. Do they have PAL or was rcmp their only license? They are getting laid off. Pretty traumatic. Does it take them two years to get a pal? What about divorce and alcohol rates of rcmp. Very stressful stuff. How does this effect their gun license.
Also why do they have right to self defense but not you or i? When they go home at night maybe they should leave their guns at the police station. Of course brinks drivers apparently have right to self defense and they are not peace officers. Spca is now packing heavy for combat. I guess if I get robbed I will call spca for help. It's funny how some of us have rights and others Don't.
What does this have to do with antique firearms?
It is extremely unusual for Canadian police to take service weapons home for self defense.

Please do not derail a thread with unrelated content.
 
So police charge because they are clueless about the laws and antique guns. The innocent man has to spend thousands on lawyers and wait years for a court date. He then proves he was innocent because alot of antique are cut and dry antiques. Built 1880 shipped to Australia police 1882 etc. So a Google search by police would have told them everything but no. Handcuffs and humiliation for the guy. Two years of talk and gossip about him by public. Goes to court after great expense and proved innocent so now he finally gets his dinged up and scuffed up antique back. That's real justice. Plus why isn't this false arrest? Charge police for false arrest and throw them in jail until provin innocent. Freeze their bank accounts. Ransacked their houses looking for more guns to confiscate. Oh but I forgot about thin blue line and laws only matter if they can use them to screw over some hard working taxpayer who hasn't hurt anyone in his whole life
Yup, that just about sums it up. If you want to change it, join the NFA, write to your MP or run for office. I bet you'd make a better PM than Trudeau. No point in complaining about it. You're preaching to the choir.
 
What does this have to do with antique firearms?
It is extremely unusual for Canadian police to take service weapons home for self defense.

Please do not derail a thread with unrelated content.
The laws should work both ways and since apparently rcmp take guns first and worry about the law second maybe we should take a closer look at their so called right to carry. BTW my father was chief of police and I had two uncles in the rcmp but that was years ago and they were not gun thieves but they all took their guns home at night and I suspect they all do Today as well.
 
No, the first post by the OP details the intricacies of establishing antique status.
The post I quoted was about people getting persecuted/prosecuted.
The antique letter is voluntary. You are not required to get one if you don't want to. However, if you cannot prove the antique status of your gun, you may have it confiscated by police if they ever have reason to question it. In the past, I have had several customers come to me in a panic trying to get the antique letters they had lost because the police had confiscated their guns and charged them with everything from possession of a prohibited weapon, to trafficking. They did manage to prove their innocence in the end, but not after having to hire a lawyer at considerable expense. Nobody reimbursed them for that, or the headaches.
If you have a letter from the factory (or other proof) that your gun is an antique then you don't need the RCMP letter, of course. However, S&W only has shipping records, not manufacturing records, so it is quite likely that although your gun may have been made before 1898 the shipping ledger may say it was shipped after 1898. This, of course, would not prove its antique status. If the letter states that it was shipped before 1898 you are good, of course. It's your choice.
You may ask, why did the police have reason to look into the owner's possession of guns? In one case, it turned out to be an angry ex-girlfriend who wanted to make trouble for the guy, in another it was an angry tenant wanting to make trouble for his landlord. As you can see, it could happen to just about anyone. Whether or not the RCMP is out to "get us" is beyond this discussion. I highly doubt they are interested, and if JT gets his butt kicked out, the whole thing may be moot anyway.

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The laws should work both ways and since apparently rcmp take guns first and worry about the law second maybe we should take a closer look at their so called right to carry. BTW my father was chief of police and I had two uncles in the rcmp but that was years ago and they were not gun thieves but they all took their guns home at night and I suspect they all do Today as well.
"apparently rcmp take guns first and worry about the law second". Are you talking about antiques? How often is this happening?
Incidentally, if you take a look at the photo op of one of the recent big gun and drug busts, one of the guns on the table is a nickel plated spur trigger revolver. No doubt a rimfire antique.

What right to carry? On duty? Off duty? You suspect cops are taking their duty weapons home. You might want to check.
 
Because of this thread I contacted a lawyer today and he mentioned if someone is transporting a antique pistol to make sure you have a restricted rpal . Apparently rcmp take your gun and make you prove its an antique in court years down the road. Part of their excuse is what if it's not a antique and this guy has no restricted pal.
 
Yes, this should be enough. The factory letters identify the gun by serial number and caliber, and the ship date. So, obviously, if it was shipped before 1 January 1898, it must have been made before that date.
 
lets go down the rabbit hole. Can you convert an antique rifle ( Martini, falling block, etc.) into an antique pistol and retain the antique status?
 
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