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Buying a 30-06 or .338 Win Mag..
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"But if you are a pimple-faced young puke just out to waste people's time here, like so many other young people who think nothing of wasting my time to fuel your phallic phantasies, then I suggest you buy a .460 Wby (once you have a PAL), and give yourself a good concussion"
Why even type this? Don't bother ever responding to any of my posts or anyone else that you presume could be young puke wasting people's time! I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to you being drunk at the time you responded.
Why even type this? Don't bother ever responding to any of my posts or anyone else that you presume could be young puke wasting people's time! I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to you being drunk at the time you responded.
Back to cbabes...........
OK I am going to take everything you have written as true, and not the musings of some pimple-faced teenager with a rabid imagination, a Daisy Red Ryder, and a chubby in his pants.
You are getting some excellent advice here, more so than in a lot of threads that I have had the pleasure of reading here on Gun Nutz for a number of years. I am going to add some more free advice, worth what you paid for it:
Since you live in Oshawa, according to your screen ID, you are within close driving distance to hundreds of gun owners and a bunch of ranges. If you are not already a member of a gun club (range) I very strongly suggest you join one, as an extremely important first step. Then let your fellow firearms enthusiasts know that you have this dilemma about what gun you should buy. MOST normal gun-lovers will then tell you THEIR opinion, and let you shoot their shootin' irons. Unless you are in a hell of a hurry, you have lots of time before Ontario's big game seasons.
You have not said (or I missed it) what you intend to shoot with your gun. As others have mentioned, there is not much here in Ontario that the .30-06 (or .308) can't handle, with less cost, recoil, etc etc etc. But if you want to shoot PAPER and have a lot of fun doing it, then by golly buy any damn gun you want, shoot it, sell it and buy another, shoot it, sell it and buy another, and so on. I have been doing this for a number of years and it is a fun hobby.
But if you are a pimple-faced young puke just out to waste people's time here, like so many other young people who think nothing of wasting my time to fuel your phallic phantasies, then I suggest you buy a .460 Wby (once you have a PAL), and give yourself a good concussion...................
Doug
Back to cbabes...........
OK I am going to take everything you have written as true, and not the musings of some pimple-faced teenager with a rabid imagination, a Daisy Red Ryder, and a chubby in his pants.
You are getting some excellent advice here, more so than in a lot of threads that I have had the pleasure of reading here on Gun Nutz for a number of years. I am going to add some more free advice, worth what you paid for it:
Since you live in Oshawa, according to your screen ID, you are within close driving distance to hundreds of gun owners and a bunch of ranges. If you are not already a member of a gun club (range) I very strongly suggest you join one, as an extremely important first step. Then let your fellow firearms enthusiasts know that you have this dilemma about what gun you should buy. MOST normal gun-lovers will then tell you THEIR opinion, and let you shoot their shootin' irons. Unless you are in a hell of a hurry, you have lots of time before Ontario's big game seasons.
You have not said (or I missed it) what you intend to shoot with your gun. As others have mentioned, there is not much here in Ontario that the .30-06 (or .308) can't handle, with less cost, recoil, etc etc etc. But if you want to shoot PAPER and have a lot of fun doing it, then by golly buy any damn gun you want, shoot it, sell it and buy another, shoot it, sell it and buy another, and so on. I have been doing this for a number of years and it is a fun hobby.
But if you are a pimple-faced young puke just out to waste people's time here, like so many other young people who think nothing of wasting my time to fuel your phallic phantasies, then I suggest you buy a .460 Wby (once you have a PAL), and give yourself a good concussion...................
Doug
I was thinking along those very same lines ^^^^, but figured I'd take a back seat as see what comes of it
But here's someone who's been thinking about an '06...or not...maybe a .338WM , this after having considered a 45/70. HELLO .... these calibers are not even close to being within the same range. Thus my previous statement as to wheter cbabe's research
was done on Saturn. If you were pondering an '06 vs a .270 or a .243 vs a .257 or 6mm or a 7-08 vs a .308 then maybe the "so called" research could be taken seriously. As Doug says....waste of time. 
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Not so. All can be used in big game hunting. Maybe he's looking for something to hunt big game? And what if he isn't? He wants to buy a rifle chambered in a particular caliber and is seeking input.
Doug, why come on spewing your verbal diarrhea? Why turn this thread into a pissing contest? Is it absolutely necessary? If you've no valuable information for cbabes, then why bother posting anything? As for drawing to conclusions about cbabe's looks, perhaps you should take a look at your ridiculous Red Green wannabe avatar.
Wisdom is a display of knowledge and experience. Insulting fellow CGNers or throwing great topics off track by showing such a lack of maturity isn't.
Back to the topic. It depends on what you honestly want. If money isn't an issue and the 30-06 or the 338 win mag is what you're interested in, then go with the 338 win mag. If money will at all be an issue, stick to the 30-06 where the ammunition is far more affordable. What will you be hunting with this?
Doug, why come on spewing your verbal diarrhea? Why turn this thread into a pissing contest? Is it absolutely necessary? If you've no valuable information for cbabes, then why bother posting anything? As for drawing to conclusions about cbabe's looks, perhaps you should take a look at your ridiculous Red Green wannabe avatar.
Wisdom is a display of knowledge and experience. Insulting fellow CGNers or throwing great topics off track by showing such a lack of maturity isn't.
Back to the topic. It depends on what you honestly want. If money isn't an issue and the 30-06 or the 338 win mag is what you're interested in, then go with the 338 win mag. If money will at all be an issue, stick to the 30-06 where the ammunition is far more affordable. What will you be hunting with this?
Thank you!
I don't understand what I did that was so wrong. If my questions were stupid isn't that what this forum is for, to discuss and help each other out regarding a sport we love? I was just trying to purchase a rifle that could handle the widest range of game so I didn't have to buy two. I settled for a Remington 700 SS in 30-06. Bought it on the weekend thanks to an inbox pointing me to a great deal. I guess if I ever go for grizzly I will have to buy another one.
I don't understand what I did that was so wrong. If my questions were stupid isn't that what this forum is for, to discuss and help each other out regarding a sport we love? I was just trying to purchase a rifle that could handle the widest range of game so I didn't have to buy two. I settled for a Remington 700 SS in 30-06. Bought it on the weekend thanks to an inbox pointing me to a great deal. I guess if I ever go for grizzly I will have to buy another one.
Well there, SMALL FRY, that is just breath-taking. I see you have been around for a whole year and posted some 200 posts, very impressive. You don't think people should be insulted but you insult me. You think my avatar is ridiculous, too freakin' bad, it is a picture of ME. I suppose the good ole cowboy in your avatar is YOU? I am not sure how you drew the conclusion that I said ANYTHING about cbabe's looks, since I did not.
The original question posed was quite odd, as gitrdun has noted and others hinted at. If you bother to read all of my post, you will see that I did in fact provide some advice to cbabes if he indeed was serious. But if he is in fact a kid, of which there is a surplus here lately, I threw a back-hand at him.
If cbabes is in fact an adult with a PAL, I apologize without reservation if he was offended by what I wrote. If those conditions are NOT true, well then I do not see the need for an apology.
This will be my last post on this thread. I am unsubscribing.
Doug
The original question posed was quite odd, as gitrdun has noted and others hinted at. If you bother to read all of my post, you will see that I did in fact provide some advice to cbabes if he indeed was serious. But if he is in fact a kid, of which there is a surplus here lately, I threw a back-hand at him.
If cbabes is in fact an adult with a PAL, I apologize without reservation if he was offended by what I wrote. If those conditions are NOT true, well then I do not see the need for an apology.
This will be my last post on this thread. I am unsubscribing.
Doug
And so you should! Hell, buy away! Also glad to know that you got a great deal.
You didn't do anything wrong. Sometimes people who believe they measure to some rank because of forum post counts or whatever, feel the need to act like that.
And for anyone else who doesn't know who's in my avatar... it's Chuck Connors.
Love my '06. There's a reason it's been around in hunting rifles for more than a century. 100 years ago, there was no mention of "knockdown power" or "stopping power", people hunted almost everything with an '06, 303, or 30-30 and worried more about accuracy and bullet placement.
What do you believe to be true? I know personally of more people over the last 50 years that have taken down all kinds of big game with 303's, 30-'06's and 30-30's than any other larger (or Magnum) round. Hands down, no contest. It used to be all about placement.
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The majority of the cartridges that we enjoy today have been around for quite some time. When the .30/40, .303, .30/03, and the .30/06 came into being, they were considered small bores that could not possibly compete with the knock down produced by the "real rifle cartridges." In military circles, the wisdom of the day was that we were headed for disaster by adopting a small bore over the large black powder cartridges, but the advantages provided by the new technology changed the playing field.
Then as now, there were hunters who had little interest in rifles or ballistics, and only cared that their rifles put food on the table. That same mentality exists today. But to the enthusiasts of the day, the choice of cartridge and bullet type was very important. The Springfield (.45/70), the Sharps and the Ballards were the choice of the dedicated big game hunter. One only has to read "A Rifleman Goes to War" by McBride to get a feel for this. These guys loaded their own ammo, and took great pride in their shooting ability and would argue endlessly about the merits of one cartridge design over another, just like the enthusiasts of today .
If everyone were content to use what was available rather than to push the limits of accuracy, power, or flatness of trajectory, there would be no advances. Consider that British gun makers of the early 20th century gained fame by producing propriety rifles and cartridges. These things sold because the people who traveled to India, Pakistan, Africa, or the other far-flung game fields of the world didn't want to trust their lives to mediocrity. That suggests that they cared very much about having better cartridges and better rifles.
Then as now, there were hunters who had little interest in rifles or ballistics, and only cared that their rifles put food on the table. That same mentality exists today. But to the enthusiasts of the day, the choice of cartridge and bullet type was very important. The Springfield (.45/70), the Sharps and the Ballards were the choice of the dedicated big game hunter. One only has to read "A Rifleman Goes to War" by McBride to get a feel for this. These guys loaded their own ammo, and took great pride in their shooting ability and would argue endlessly about the merits of one cartridge design over another, just like the enthusiasts of today .
If everyone were content to use what was available rather than to push the limits of accuracy, power, or flatness of trajectory, there would be no advances. Consider that British gun makers of the early 20th century gained fame by producing propriety rifles and cartridges. These things sold because the people who traveled to India, Pakistan, Africa, or the other far-flung game fields of the world didn't want to trust their lives to mediocrity. That suggests that they cared very much about having better cartridges and better rifles.
What I believe is simple.100 years ago was 1908. The 30-06 came out in 1906 making it a great big two years old. Few people outside of the US military had ever seen one. When Teddy Rooseveldt took a Springfield on safari in 1909 it was big news. So how many animals were killed with a 30-06 100 years ago? Nearly none.
The heyday of the surplus Lee-Enfield was after WW11 when they were for sale everywhere for next to nothing. That continued for decades, but how many were bagging game 100 years ago? Some, but far from a majority.
The 30-30 was 14 years old and going strong, but it had plenty of competition.
I have no reason to believe that hunters were more skilled at shooting then than now, nor do I believe that the ethical concerns about wounded animals were higher then. In fact I believe the opposite.
About the only thing that I believe about your first post is that you love your 30-06. That's OK, I like mine too.
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Well this thread is going south right quickly huh?
First off, the guys gettin Dougs blood pressure up should back off cause he's most likely owned every type of gun and caliber listed on the first two pages on this whole forum, so take his points of view as fact. He's forgotten more about rifles than I know.
Secondly, Doug, don't let the young un's on the board get ya riled it makes me work cause it takes you a couple days to calm down again.
Lets try to get back on topic, I hate using the heavy hand of lockage in the hunting forums.
First off, the guys gettin Dougs blood pressure up should back off cause he's most likely owned every type of gun and caliber listed on the first two pages on this whole forum, so take his points of view as fact. He's forgotten more about rifles than I know.
Secondly, Doug, don't let the young un's on the board get ya riled it makes me work cause it takes you a couple days to calm down again.
Lets try to get back on topic, I hate using the heavy hand of lockage in the hunting forums.
I think anyone with an unbiased opinion that read all the posts in this thread would side with me. I really don't think I did anything wrong. I am sorry if I have boiled the blood of one of the respected members here. I did get some great advice which is what these forums are all about. I actually bought a rifle after an inbox pointed me to a good deal on a 30-06 Remington 700 SS for sale at Gagnons in Oshawa. Let's just move on. Again I am sorry for upsetting your friend!
Well this thread is going south right quickly huh?
First off, the guys gettin Dougs blood pressure up should back off cause he's most likely owned every type of gun and caliber listed on the first two pages on this whole forum, so take his points of view as fact. He's forgotten more about rifles than I know.
Secondly, Doug, don't let the young un's on the board get ya riled it makes me work cause it takes you a couple days to calm down again.
Lets try to get back on topic, I hate using the heavy hand of lockage in the hunting forums.
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