Buying a Lee Enfield

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Hey everyone.

I've become totally hooked on Lee Enfields lately, and I'm thinking I would like to get one for my next purchase.

What is the most popular/affordable model? I understand there are a lot of manufacturers, but I'm guessing British made would be the best collector wise

Any suggestions on where to look (besides the EE) and how much I am looking at spending?

Thanks!
 
The EE is a great place to find an Enfield. P&S Militaria has a few, but they're a bit overpriced. He's also got generally higher quality enfields.
The most affordable model is the kind that have cut wood. They have zero collectable value, and can be had for about 100 or a bit less. I bought a No4 Mk1 that had been forgotten about for 20 years, and had the wood cut...for 40 bucks. Pretty decent.

Full wood Enfields generally start at $225 for junky ones, and you pay more for quality and such.

In Canada, Longbranch enfields are actually worth the most, since they're Canadian made, and we're all nationalistic. British rifles are great as well. So are the American ones. They're all good rifles.

I have a No4 that .303carbine (another member on the board) has recently contacted me about buying. But if he isn't interested, it'd trade hands for $250.

On the other end of the spectrum, you can buy a sniper model enfield for about $3000. Enfields come in all shapes and sizes...it really exemplifies the sturdiness of the rifle. It isn't amazingly accurate on the whole, but they were great rifles for the job they had.

Mausers are still better! :cool:
 
No. 4's are the best. They're everywhere in assorted condition. Longbranch made rifles are the most common in Canada. Price depends entirely on condition. Whichever one you end up with, get proof that the headspace is ok.
 
Enfield bolts have the a screw in end. It rotates. Some bolts have mix matched heads and the bolt may potentially be a little short. It is not safe to shoot when it is too short. I have not had any of my enfields checked yet, and I've been fine so far.
 
Rimfire said:
Hey everyone.

I've become totally hooked on Lee Enfields lately, and I'm thinking I would like to get one for my next purchase.

What is the most popular/affordable model? I understand there are a lot of manufacturers, but I'm guessing British made would be the best collector wise

Any suggestions on where to look (besides the EE) and how much I am looking at spending?

Thanks!

It used to be the case that the #5 Jungle Carbine was the most expensive, due to the small numbers made, it's appearance and handiness as bush gun, though it's recoil tends to shy away many potential users. While price will depend upon condition, I did purchase one in good condition for about $250 two years ago, followed by another in VG condition for $350 with taxes. I would think that $300 to $450 would be a reasonable range.

The No4 Enfield varients used to be available relatively cheaply, but have gone up considerably in price. The Canadian Longbranch rifles are particularly sought after (at least in Canada) while the Americans are particularly fond of the Savage produced rifles. Post war Canadian Longbranch rifles might be more attractive from a shooter's standpoint, as they'll have the best sights and machined, not stamped parts. Similarly with the UK rifles, I suspect that the better made post-war #4mk2 is more popular than many of the wartime produced rifles. If you can get any of these in VG condition with a decent bore under $300 you are probably doing well (I got a VG 1944 Maltby two summers ago for $220 shipped), though decent Longbranches sell on this site for over $350 all the time and sell fast!

The No1mk3 Enfields are usually slightly less expensive than the No4s, generally because of their open vs peep sites, lower average condition, and perhaps lesser accuracy do to a thinner barrel (though I'm not sure if that really factors into most of the shooting that people do with these rifles, except for long range target shooters). Some of the Indian rifles were produced into the 1960s and show up in good condition or arsenal refurbished. The Austrailian Lithgows were very common several years ago, though the Auzzies tended to put them to full use that showed on many examples. I think that you can still get #1s for under $300 and that you should consider them seriously, perhaps with preference over British or Australian rifles.

There is also a 7.62 version of the Lee Enfield (#2 and #2a) produced in India in the late 1960's/early 1970s. Common consensus seems to be that they should only be shot with milspec ammo , the "Reduced Recoil" commercial .308 loads or reloaded ammo in the starting range of .308 loadings or lighter. I think that a few have sold around here in the sub $300 range, the benefits of a 7.62 Enfield being offset by questionable prejudices towards their safety and durability. The latter has largely been due to US shooters who developed headspacing issues with their rifles after shooting several boxes of commercial .308 ammo in them. Find out if the rifle has been owned by a sports shooter and whether they fired commercial ammo. Otherwise they are still popular among US milsurp collectors who buy them from dealers.

A few closing points....... The Internet, by making products available to large numbers of people does have the effect of raising prices. You might find asking amongst older hunt camp companions, members of the Legion, reserve Officers or Senior NCO's Mess Associates, farmers, friends and relatives to be worthwhile and rewarding. I've also left out the fact that new, unissued Enfields still pop up, as well as post-war 7.62 conversions for target shooting, but these start at several hundred dollars and go up from there. Occasionally. People are even buying up sporterized Enfields (often under $100) where the barrel and sights have not been cut up, and slowly replacing the wood and metal hardware to restore them to original configuration.

Best of Luck!

Frank
 
I'm not sure I'm going to agree that No1's are cheaper than No4's. No1 bolts have a nicer feel to them when you cycle them, and they generally feel like they're made of more quality.

I'm willing to spend more on an all matching No1 than on all all matching No4.

And there are just as many No4's in crappy condition as No1's in crappy condition, certainly in Canada.
 
If you are going to collect Lee Enfields, your first buy should be reference material. The single best source is The Lee Enfield Story, by Skennerton. It will cost you the better part of $100.
There are many, many different variations of Lees. Some are rare, and will command serious prices. Actual selling prices have been increasing. If you are going to buy something that you will be able to resell down the road, perhaps at a profit, buy quality. Numbers should match, overall condition should be superior. You should be able to buy one of the most common models, No. 4, No. 5, SMLE, in this condition for $300 -$500, less for lesser condition, but still a good representative specimen. Unless you know what you are looking for/at, buying from an established, reputable dealer like Jean at P&S Militaria is a good idea.
 
Rimfire said:
Any suggestions on where to look (besides the EE) and how much I am looking at spending? Thanks!

Well, since you're looking for a milsurp, we've just opened up another option for you at our Quartermaster Stores (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/vbclassified.php

The Military Surplus categories of the Quartermaster Stores, are open to advertisements (buy/sell/trade) and auctions from both private individuals and commercial dealers. Each group of advertisers has their own ad section and the various sub-categories are exactly the same for both, including, Rifles & Muskets, Pistols & Revolvers, MG/Anti-Tank, , Bayonets/Swords/Knives, Parts & Accessories, Ammo & Re-loading Kit, Uniforms & Kit and Books & Videos.

The cost to post ads for both private individuals and commercial dealers is absolutely FREE!

Dealers offer special discounts to members and there's a built-in feedback system to help members evaluate the integrity of buyers and sellers.

Unless they're gone, I saw some Enfields for sale in there, so maybe have a look and see if there's something that meets your needs.

Regards,
Badger
 
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Thanks for the tips everyone!

I'll let you know when I get her. Does anyone in the BC area know of a place that sells .303 British for a decent price? I've heard of some online places, but it's always nice to avoid shipping costs
 
Consider this fair warning - Lee Enfield Rifles are the shooting worlds equivalent of crack cocaine. They are cheap, fun, and horribly addictive. Just look at the number of junkies that hang out here. On a serious note, these rifles provide a very direct link to our history, nothing lets you experience what your Father or Grandfather experienced in as direct a fashion as the Lee Enfield. Regardless of what the Liberals or other anti gun types will tell you, a good part of the Canadian experience throughout history is linked to handling and shooting the Lee Enfield rifle. Owning, handling and shooting a Lee Enfield isn't a priviledge - it's a Canadian birthrite.
 
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Help support your local gunshops and check in with them frequently !
My best deals on Enfields , or any milsurp for that matter , are through my area shops . Let the shop owner know who you are and what your looking for.
 
Regardless of what the Liberals or other anti gun types will tell you, a good part of the Canadian experience throughout history is linked to handling and shooting the Lee Enfield rifle. Owning, handling and shooting a Lee Enfield isn't a priviledge - it's a Canadian birthrite.

Amen to that :rockOn::canadaFlag: ! One of the few best lines i've ever read :cool:..

Schneider :wave:
 
Wait a bit on Skennertons book. The third edition has been shipped and should shortly be at the dealers and parts of it are in colour. The second edition has been selling for outrageous prices.
It is the BIBLE for Enfield collectors.

saying that, if you have decided on which model you want, an inexpensive paperback is available for either the No4 or the No1. by Charles R. Stratton North Cape Publications. You can probably order either one through your local book store.
For Skennerton's book, go to www.skennerton.com.
Again, wait for the third edition.


And for those who think earlier models are cheaper than the No4, Want to tell me how much a Lee Metford is going for? Or a Long Lee, a No1Mk1, a No1Mk3 with volley sights,a No1 MkV or a No1Mk6, A carbine, (not a No5, but a real carbine?;)
 
I have seen a couple No.1 mk3's in various stages of sporterization for under the $100 mark, even my hunting No.1 mk3 was bought at a yard sale for $50 and about all that was done was some stock work by bubba so keep your eye's open if your in the country :)

igman ammo is fun to plink with due to it's cost but you dont really get any deal's unless you buy it 100rnd's or more at a time AND from the rite shop but it's nothing for me to blow thru 50-100rnd's at the range on a good day.... mind you if you roll yer own the cost of shooting the .303 cartridge go's WAY down...

something to watch for with the enfield's is chamber irregularity's and wear, i can shoot target load's and igman all day with no issue's BUT winchester CXP-3 ammo is a bit hot and i get case's slightly stuck in the chamber and a pressure bulge near the rim of the case but that has NEVER been an issue with igman or even a couple thousand round's of original 1943 milsurp FMJ...

enfield's are quite fun to shoot and i'm sure i'm not the only person here who's first shooting experiance was with there dad or grandfather and the lee enfield... and some day i will take my 2 boy's out on there first hunt with my old enfield the same way my stepfather did with me... it's tradition.
 
Consider this fair warning - Lee Enfield Rifles are the shooting worlds equivalent of crack cocaine. They are cheap, fun, and horribly addictive. Just look at the number of junkies that hang out here.


Ian.............perfect!!!!! That is what I have been trying to get across to my friends for quite some time.

Do we need a 12 step programme?

Cheers

em
 
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