Buying an RFB and reselling - what's fair?

Gotta love CGN...people call you skum among other worse names for taking advantage of miss-priced ammo at Canadian Tire but so many of you are okay with selling a gun for more then its worth cause someone may not know any better...so basically just hoping for that sucker to come along...or you'll add a magazine and a $10 sling and say its a "custom package". That to me is about 10x worse.
 
Who said the intent of listing the gun for more than purchase price was to wait for someone who doesnt know what its original purchase price was to come along and "overpay" for it out of ignorance? If it was me my intent would be to sell it to someone who knows what they cost but arent willing to wait and will pay the asking price to have the gun now rather than later at an undetermined date. Whats with the Canadian tire ammo reference Frankly if you have ten boxes of 308 ammo at Canadian tire with tags for $29.99 and one has a tag for $2.99 do you think its ethical to take the $2.99 one and buy it? Legal im sure, but is it right? Im not sure what your thought process is. I have an RFB listed for TRADE only since this morning and people have still offered my up to $400 higher than asking price. So If I was selling it I should say, no man, keep the $400, Just give me the original purchase price. These people know what the guns worth and are willing to pay a premium to have it in their hands now.
 
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It depends on their intentions.

I certainly don't feel the need to judge.

However, trying to sell it at a markup in this circumstance is just opportunism, and down to their own individual conscience, which they stated in the original post that they felt it was greasy to put a big markup on it, it's a question of what they feel is right, and what they're comfortable with.

However, if someone purposely bought up a bunch of these guns with the intention of reselling them at a marked up price, that puts them in the same category as ticket scalpers, and is greasy as #### in my opinion.
 
Hmm, I'm conflicted on this one.

While I agree with throttle monkey1, it is a free market after all..., I also feel it's like "gun scalping"... And, I've never dealt with a scalper...

Maybe it's just that I haven't seen something I want bad enough...

Cheers
Jay
 
Now, P&D wanted a deposit, so I gladly gave them $200. When I emailed to remove my name from the list, I found out the deposit is non-refundable and non-transferrable. Ouch. I guess I should have asked when placing said deposit... no worries I guess - my fault for not reading the fine print.
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I can understand this on a normal purchase but if they have a list of buyers for the RFB they should sell the rifle to the next name on the list and refund your monies anything other than that is bad policy as far as I am concerned...

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Just post it in the EE. If you had done it in the beginning the only debate would be with your perspective buyer. If you were are looking for more exposure by using this forum, well i guess you got it.:canadaFlag:
 
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Just post it in the EE. If you had done it in the beginning the only debate would be with your perspective buyer. If you were are looking for more exposure by using this forum, well i guess you got it.:canadaFlag:
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Um yeah... I would post it in the EE if I had it in my hands. And I didn't ask the question to get "more exposure" either...it's an honest question, and wanted to see how other CGNers would handle a similar situation. I think there will be no lack of "exposure" once they show up in the EE, with or without my post.
 
Camp Cook said:
I can understand this on a normal purchase but if they have a list of buyers for the RFB they should sell the rifle to the next name on the list and refund your monies anything other than that is bad policy as far as I am concerned...

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So true! With the demand for the RFB, it's not like the business will be out anything... A non-refundable deposit should only be required for items that are special order & the customer walks away from...

My 2 cents anyways...

Cheers
Jay
 
canucklehead said:
Um yeah... I would post it in the EE if I had it in my hands. And I didn't ask the question to get "more exposure" either...it's an honest question, and wanted to see how other CGNers would handle a similar situation. I think there will be no lack of "exposure" once they show up in the EE, with or without my post.
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Handle what? Whats to handle? You know what you payed for it, everyone else knows what you payed for it. Ask whatever you want in EE. If you wanted a thumbs up from anyone to make hundreds of Dollars on your own mistake then go ahead and post in the EE when it arrives.


Let me give you a bit of advice i've found in over 30 years of buying and selling firearms. Be fair, ask fair, don't take advantage. If its a discontinued, historic. type firearm then look at the market value. If it can be purchased new well i adjust below because most will think why is he selling so new probaly 6 out of 10 will unload a problem rather than deal with an issue. Remember what goes around ,comes around!:agree:

You have to use your own conscience on what you feel is fair and i'm sure it will show in the EE. If the price has doubled when you sell it then i guess thats the market. I'll see your price and say, he's nuts , its steep or maybe it's resonable for the market and i'll pm him. Simple.

You have an opinion from a fellow CGNer.:wave::canadaFlag:
 
Been offered hundreds of dollars more than I paid for a rifle listed as FOR TRADE ONLY. If the guys offering to pay extra money for the gun dont feel guilty, why the hell should the seller? If you feel greasy accepting extra money from people willing to dish it out then by all means sell it for purchase price.
 
Canuckle,

before this thread goes any further,I would like to apologize for one thing. My intial remarks were actually, not addressed at your original post of questions , it was merely after seeing the feeding frenzy type remarks that seemed to escalate, with each one more exuberant than the previous.

So in a nutshell there was nothing directed by me, towards you personally, if you felt or feel that way, it was not my intention.


As to my opinion, then it still remains as stated,and I can give you examples of my own dealings in the past several buy/sell transactions to reinforce my beliefs, possibly in PM if you would like.:wave::canadaFlag:
 
Scalpers make money selling something that is no longer available, buy buying it knowing they are taking a limited quantity product away from someone who does want it, and selling back for more money.

The RFB is not a limited quantity product, thus more are coming and enough for everybody, patience has a price, some people will trade having to wait for some money.

I agree tho, that P&D should just refund and allow someone at the end of the upcoming shipment list to get his sooner. This IMHO is the way it should be.
Since that's not the case, the person getting it is jumping the line and should pay for that benefit.

If someone wanted to buy a whole bunch with the idea of selling higher for a profit, then all the power to them, those that wait will pay less...it sucks but that's capitalism.
 
if he sells and makes a couple bucks so what.no different than people paying $4000 for elmo doll or up to $6000 for cabbage patch dolls.this is the system we have and it works.hell i know a guy that resells apple products to people in india for 400% more than he paid because they what it now and what to show it off,nothing more.i have seen people sell on here for less than it is worth but what to move it quickly for certain reasons.i am sure they are not having buyers going i will pay you more for it because you are selling it cheap.
 
furet said:
Scalpers make money selling something that is no longer available, buy buying it knowing they are taking a limited quantity product away from someone who does want it, and selling back for more money.

The RFB is not a limited quantity product, thus more are coming and enough for everybody, patience has a price, some people will trade having to wait for some money.
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Yep. At the moment, some stores have long wait lists for an RFB, and they only get 3 or 4 per shipment. If you have a wait list of 20 people and you're getting a shipment in every month, that's still a 5-7 month backlog. I know some people would rather pay an extra $300 to skip the wait, and I don't blame them. If you were able to get your hands on one early and want to sell it and make a few dollars on your investment, I see nothing wrong with that since you can't just walk into a store and buy a new one at this point in time.
 
Jay said:
So true! With the demand for the RFB, it's not like the business will be out anything... A non-refundable deposit should only be required for items that are special order & the customer walks away from...

My 2 cents anyways...

Cheers
Jay
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Yah.

I really like how Wolverine Supplies does it. When I ordered my Ar180b in '08 (didn't get it until almost a year later, lol), they just put my name on the call list, and when they got them in stock, they called me and I sent them the money for it. No deposit or anything. They knew that there was far more demand for the rifles than supply, and I'd be shocked if P&D doesn't have a wait list longer than the number of rifles they're expecting on the next shipment.
 
Lanz was the same way... I was contacted when the rifles arrived and when it was my turn in the queue. I think part of the issue is that people are throwing themselves on a few lists simultaneously, with the hopes of procuring a rifle earlier. I don't blame them at all for doing so but it may be artificially inflating the waiting lists...

That said, hopefully mine comes in shortly... I'm looking very forward to adding the larger caliber to the collection. This will become my primary "larger" game rifle, in areas where I'm not allowed to use the smaller bore carbines.
 
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