Buying F/A's on your site in deact. form.

[zZ_denis]

Hi John,
I emailed you a couple of weeks ago with the same question and received no reply. (email from "Dennis J"). So i'll try posting here, as it seems to be a pretty reliable way to get you to respond.

I am interested in buying some of the F/A's that you have listed on your website. I only want them as wall-hangers, so would it be possible to have them deactivated? In particular, im interested in KPV HMG, as well as some others. Also, do you carry any spare parts for the KPV (i.e. barrels)?

Please let me know!
Thanks!

 

[johnone]

RE FAs: There are no provisions in the regulations for us to "import for the purpose of deactivation".
Simply put we cannot deactivate our own guns....
We do have a few deacts in house if interested, ZB-30, M-49 Yugo, a rare Bren Resistance Model, etc, etc....

John

 

[zZ_denis]

RE FAs: There are no provisions in the regulations for us to "import for the purpose of deactivation".
Simply put we cannot deactivate our own guns....
We do have a few deacts in house if interested, ZB-30, M-49 Yugo, a rare Bren Resistance Model, etc, etc....

John

Thank you for the reply, John

Would it then be possible for one of your gunsmiths to disassemble a FA into receiver + the rest of the parts, selling me the parts and keeping the receiver for yourself? This way the gun (receiver) would still be intact and in your possesion, as far as the government is concerned.
I would then be able to fabricate a dummy receiver and complete my KPV wall-hanger.

Seems rather.... strange... that our government would oppose you cutting up a F/A HMG into a bunch of metal parts.

Also, you didnt answer the second part of my original question regarding spare barrels for these MG's.

Thanks again for your time!

 

[Canuck223]

Thank you for the reply, John

Would it then be possible for one of your gunsmiths to disassemble a FA into receiver + the rest of the parts, selling me the parts and keeping the receiver for yourself?

I asked John the same question a few years back. I believe his answer at the time was that the import permit is specific, and importing live guns for the purposes of parting them out is not an option.

Marstar have supplied parts kits into the US market for years, but I believe they all were parted out offshore.

Part of the problem is likely that the parts you are asking for, John very likely couldn't import for you, nor could you import for yourself.

Part of the CCC talks about importing parts wholy or exclusively for use in automatic weapons, and the limitations. Unless you are grandfathered for that class, and are replacing a part from a registered gun, or the part is also used in a non-prohibited model, getting an import permit as an individual isn't likely.

 

[X-man]

Why not find a friend with the correct endorsements to purchase whatever firearm it is that you desire, have it legally transferred into his name and then have him do the deactivation and purchase it from him? Marstar fulfills all legal requirements of their end user certificates and import documentation by selling a complete firearm to a new owner legally entitled to purchase it. You purchase a wall hanger from a fellow shooter who has had it deactivated legally according to current Canadian regulations.

 

[Canuck223]

Why not find a friend with the correct endorsements to purchase whatever firearm it is that you desire, have it legally transferred into his name and then have him do the deactivation and purchase it from him? Marstar fulfills all legal requirements of their end user certificates and import documentation by selling a complete firearm to a new owner legally entitled to purchase it. You purchase a wall hanger from a fellow shooter who has had it deactivated legally according to current Canadian regulations.

Because unless John is selling a registered gun from his own pre-1978 collection, the individual in Canada would not be able to buy the gun in the first place.

Keep in mind that the full auto market served by Marstar within Canada is likely dominated by movie companies, museums, and the odd police or military request.

 

[zZ_denis]

Why not find a friend with the correct endorsements to purchase whatever firearm it is that you desire, have it legally transferred into his name and then have him do the deactivation and purchase it from him? Marstar fulfills all legal requirements of their end user certificates and import documentation by selling a complete firearm to a new owner legally entitled to purchase it. You purchase a wall hanger from a fellow shooter who has had it deactivated legally according to current Canadian regulations.

I was thinking about it, but i dont have any friends who can purchase live f/a machine guns. I dont even think the 12(2) status would let you purchase said firearms from Marstar, as they are not "grandfathered".
Can you recommend somebody?

EDIT: Canuck beat me to it

I wonder if the movie companies are allowed to deactivate their guns and sell them in that form to public.

 

[tiriaq]

zZ - if you were to get a parts set, and assemble them on a dummy receiver, would you not be manufacturing a replica firearm? Which would be a prohibited device.
If you want a dewat, you could purchase a 12(2) or 12(3) gun, have the owner send it to an appropriately licenced gunsmith, who would deactivate it, and once it was cleared from the Registry, you could have it.

 

[shoot!!!]

Why not look for a c&c dewat, more fun than the rigid stuff now, and probably cheaper to boot? K&Mcm stufff was great and reasonable, should still be lots of it floating around!

 

[johnone]

CANUCK223 & OTHERS;
"and importing live guns for the purposes of parting them out is not an option"
As a matter of fact we have ,over the years, imported thousands of guns and turned them into kits, with 99.9% going to the US
I beleive this covers your second question as well, many years ago we did part guns in in facilities in Yugoslavia and the UK, when laws changed in Canada we then did that work here.

"Part of the problem is likely that the parts you are asking for, John very likely couldn't import for you, nor could you import for yourself."
Please understand, we can import almost anything we require, that said, allow me to explain further, we will only sell FA parts and components to people who have such licenses or registered FA weapons.

The fact that we chose a long time ago not to sell parts kits to un-licensed people in Canada has been our personal decision and is coporate policy.... I think you will agree that there is simply too many "gray zones" in the legislation and until that becomes crystal clear I will not put our rather uniques licenses at risk.

Marstar enjoys the priviledge of being able to provide automatic weapons to a widely diverse clientele, we have served the motion picture industry heavily ever since we participated in Full Metal Jacket, we have seen our weaponry in numerous productions since, Saving Private Ryan, Legends of the Fall, Death Race, Mummies 111, etc....

We have served Canadian, American and several foreign Military forces, we count numerous museums among our clients, the Imperial War Museum in London, The War Museum in Ottawa (Donations), Museums in numerous foreign countries....

We are proud to have provided for numerous police forces from many of the emrging East Block countries....

Long story short, I will not risk everything for a few "kits"

I hope you don't mind that I quoted you, it made the replies easier,

Thak you for your interest
John

 

[X-man]

Because unless John is selling a registered gun from his own pre-1978 collection, the individual in Canada would not be able to buy the gun in the first place.

Keep in mind that the full auto market served by Marstar within Canada is likely dominated by movie companies, museums, and the odd police or military request.

I'm aware of all that, I'm also aware that Marstar buys private collections as well, that will often include lots of FA 12(x) firearms. Transfer is legally permitted to holders of a valid firearm license with that class of endorsement. There are still quite a few guy out there who continue own full auto machine guns. Up until a few years ago, a highlight of the season would be when the FA were dusted off and taken to the range for some fun. It is too bad C-301 was tanked, as owners of all those prohibs would've been allowed to acually use them again.

 

[thunderflash]

I'm aware of all that, I'm also aware that Marstar buys private collections as well, that will often include lots of FA 12(x) firearms. Transfer is legally permitted to holders of a valid firearm license with that class of endorsement. There are still quite a few guy out there who continue own full auto machine guns. Up until a few years ago, a highlight of the season would be when the FA were dusted off and taken to the range for some fun. It is too bad C-301 was tanked, as owners of all those prohibs would've been allowed to acually use them again.

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"Too Bad"?? You got that right !! That there is a prime source of MAJOR F3$x$x$ ing Irritation for sure ,speaking for CA 12(3) owners . What a 110% pure batch of bulls**t !!!!!!!!

Sidebar --- Police can & often do take & use FA at our range ( no ATT needed) . but , the legally owned & privately acquired with after tax dollars, semi auto, & FA 12(X) guns---" Dis iss Strictly VERBOTEN !!!!! for de safety off de public "