Buying hand-guard in the states?

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I ordered a YHM Diamond handguard off of brownells ($125), checkout, pay, have the shipping address set to my P.O. box in New York and planned to go over one day and pick it up. I just got an email from brownells:


"Dear Customer:

The order you have just placed is considered to be an export or a potential export by our U.S. State and U.S. Commerce Departments. This specific situation is when an international based customer orders a product and has it shipped within the United States. This is a “red-flag” situation and we are directed by both State and Commerce Departments to treat this transaction as an export.

Brownells has an obligation to monitor our shipments for a direct export and indirect export. Ordering from an international location and shipping domestically is a red-flag indicating an indirect export could happen, e.g., you ship to a friend’s house, fly over, pick it up, and take it across the border back home. This is an export of controlled firearms and Brownells is held liable in such situations. The process to follow at this moment is to get an export license so these things can be handed to you or shipped directly to you or we cancel the order of regulated items.

There is also an attachment of what the rules and regulations are governing these types of items. Take note of the URL/web links below if you would like to do your research online.
We would be glad to help any way we can in getting these products to you."


I didnt think that a handguard would need an export licence? They sent me 3 forms to fill out and a file explaining every single regulation that is very confusing. Does anyone know what would be involved in still getting the handguard or is it just better to cancel my order and look somewhere else? Any help is appreciated.
 
rm11xx said:
Does anyone know what would be involved in still getting the handguard or is it just better to cancel my order and look somewhere else? Any help is appreciated.
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Yeah... Brownells knows.


Call/email and ask them... If the item is exportable they will get it done.
 
I ordered a YHM Diamond handguard off of brownells ($125), checkout, pay, have the shipping address set to my P.O. box in New York and planned to go over one day and pick it up.
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You would be breaking U.S. export law. FYI.
 
Because they either don't know or don't care about the legalities of exporting firearm parts?
 
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
 
ehnd said:
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
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ehnd said:
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
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I don't suppose you were checked by the US customs officials as you drove by. They do oftendo that at many ports (my dad was checked each of the last two times he crossed and they specifically asked if he had gun parts. Made me feel guilty for asking him to bring back Glock basepads. Had they found them they would have been confiscated (Best Case Scenerio)... walking home is a close second.
 
ehnd said:
Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all
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There most certainly is an issue. You are just extremely lucky not to have encountered it. As the saying goes, ignorance of the law is no excuse. When in the US you ARE bound to follow their laws.
 
ehnd said:
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
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It's not a "loophole". It's "luck not getting caught". Congratulations, you are a criminal!
 
ehnd said:
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
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There is no issue with crossing the border with cocaine, until you get CAUGHT. Laugh2
 
ehnd said:
It's funny - I purchased gun accessories in the US that would normally not be able to be shipped to Canada because of US export laws. Because I drove across the border, there was no issue at all - it's not part of the Canadian Customs' purview. It's a crazy loophole but you could technically purchase ammo in the States that the Americans don't want you as a Canadian to have, declare it at the Canadian border without even having a PAL and successfully bring it through. Odd but true.
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You do realize that you have broken US Export laws and confessed to it on a public forum right?
 
It could be the barrel nut, of all things that comes with the fore end.

I have spoken with Samson Manufacturing, and they have said one of the controlled ITAR items relating to free floating fore ends are the added barrel nuts, of all things.

Samson models do not fall under ITAR as restricted to be shipped up here. They have completed and posses all the needed paperwork for orders to go to Canada.
 
A.T.R. said:
It could be the barrel nut, of all things that comes with the fore end.

I have spoken with Samson Manufacturing, and they have said one of the controlled ITAR items relating to free floating fore ends are the added barrel nuts, of all things.

Samson models do not fall under ITAR as restricted to be shipped up here. They have completed and posses all the needed paperwork for orders to go to Canada.
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If it is a gun part, IT IS RESTRICTED to be shipped up here. The fact that they have their paperwork in order is why they can ship the parts to Canada.
 
Homeland Security

I wonder who made up these US laws?

I began relaoding shotshells this past year and needed various supplies for my MEC loader.

Almost all components , even plastic wads and cardboard overshot wads are on the "no no" list, but I can buy parts for the loader and strangely enough shot in pretty much any form.

My last order took 3 weeks to get here, despite very high shipping costs and guess what..... The box had been held up in customs....... US Customs, not Canada.

All sorted through and badly repackaged. Hard to believe they are protecting their country by making it illegal to export most of this stuff, but... thats their law, like it or not.

Who says laws have to make sense, anyway? :bangHead:

ALSO... every week I hear of someone else who is stopped leaving the US ..stopped by US Customs just as they are about to enter Canada. Thats a perfect place for an ambush! Those guys have total power and can pretty much do anything...seize not only the ammo, parts or anything for that matter, including your vehicle. Oh yeah, Jail and ban you from entering or flying over US airspace for 5 years...... Not worth it, Guys....... Your call....

Lucky...
 
Fusilier said:
If it is a gun part, IT IS RESTRICTED to be shipped up here. The fact that they have their paperwork in order is why they can ship the parts to Canada.
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Didn't explain myself the way I thought.

Samson has their #### together for Canadian Export.
 
Some parts are controlled, some are not. But even if Brownells CAN ship some controlled items to Canada does not mean YOU can bring them over the border. The license needed to export said items is only good for the exporter who's name is on it, ie Brownells.

Be carefull people, no matter how trivial the part is, if it is restricted and you get caught trying to smuggle it out of the US, they will have ZERO leniancy. They don't care that it's legal here. You will be treated as a criminal just has much has the guy trying to smuggle handguns or drugs. Prey to God they don't associate your name by mistake to some obscure terrorist cell in West Virginia, because then you are seriously ####ed.
 
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