Buying Used

[ROBPECKFORD]

Classic shotguns are the military surplus of today. I recently switched over from collecting military surplus because they are getting too expensive and difficult to find for a very good, unaltered example. FTRed Enfields that someone hobbled together in their basement are being sold for $1k... no thank you. Handguns don't hold their value well and there are too many sub categories in rifles. I still collect .22s, they are always fun, especially the more unusual ones but in terms of value for your money, you can't really beat an older model used shotgun.

Currently I bought and wanting for the delivery of what was advertised as a very good condition Browning Auto5 for $300. With taxes in, I don't think you could even purchase a norinco or one of those Turkish guns for that price. Even brand new, their are not half the gun that an Auto 5 is in terms of build quality, design and material.

millennials that buy tacticool garbage that they seen In a movie... and the cheap ppl that buy Turkish and norinocs hopefully won't catch onto what u are saying. otherwise older shotguns will be skyrocketing In price... I never buy new... why pay the government more money in taxes. God bless ee

 

[heronfish]

millennials that buy tacticool garbage that they seen In a movie... and the cheap ppl that buy Turkish and norinocs hopefully won't catch onto what u are saying. otherwise older shotguns will be skyrocketing In price... I never buy new... why pay the government more money in taxes. God bless ee

I believe most of what you're saying to be true, but only for high grade guns that most new entrants into the market cannot afford anyway.
Yesterday's field guns ( plain auto5s, 1100s, 870s and model 12s) are worth nothing on the used market and that won't change any time soon.

 

[3macs1]

I believe most of what you're saying to be true, but only for high grade guns that most new entrants into the market cannot afford anyway.
Yesterday's field guns ( plain auto5s, 1100s, 870s and model 12s) are worth nothing on the used market and that won't change any time soon.

I don't agree with that at all
I have not lost a penny on selling any of the models you mention. What is wrong with $750 for a 1100 410 I just sold. It was a full choke field gun
Small gauges have only increased 2-3 fold in value for me from when I bought them

In fact average guns are a much easier sell since most don't have the cash for a vintage high end one
Looks at what model 21 winchester field guns sell for now as an example vs the high end models

Cheers

 

[Falconflyer]

The problem with the vintage shotgun market is that the biggest fans are starting to die out. It's the same with the cowboy gun market, the guys who love 1873 Colts and old lever guns are getting fewer and fewer since the younger guys want something mat black and plastic!

 

[heronfish]

I don't agree with that at all
I have not lost a penny on selling any of the models you mention. What is wrong with $750 for a 1100 410 I just sold. It was a full choke field gun
Small gauges have only increased 2-3 fold in value for me from when I bought them

In fact average guns are a much easier sell since most don't have the cash for a vintage high end one
Looks at what model 21 winchester field guns sell for now as an example vs the high end models

Cheers

Sub gauge guns will always be worth more because they have a purpose and fewer were made.
They are still an awful investment in most cases.

 

[3macs1]

Sub gauge guns will always be worth more because they have a purpose and fewer were made.
They are still an awful investment in most cases.

One just has to know what to save
Like I said the only guns I ever broke even on was a collection of ducks unlimited shotguns
Rest all made me a few dollars when I sold them
Cheers

 

[3macs1]

The problem with the vintage shotgun market is that the biggest fans are starting to die out. It's the same with the cowboy gun market, the guys who love 1873 Colts and old lever guns are getting fewer and fewer since the younger guys want something mat black and plastic!

You are right there. But like that with everything . I see it now with muscle cars. The guys who want my 70 chevelle are all in the 60's not the 25 year olds
Then again there is still a strong market for vintage shotguns state side if one wants to go through the BS with shipping them there
That is where the few model 21 winchesters I have will end up
Cheers

 

[heronfish]

One just has to know what to save
Like I said the only guns I ever broke even on was a collection of ducks unlimited shotguns
Rest all made me a few dollars when I sold them
Cheers

There is no way that is true unless you forget inflation and purchasing power.

It's happening to all collectables from past generations, people today aren't keeping grandmas China, they are tossing it unless it's really rare and really expensive. Guns aren't immune to societal shifts.

 

[3macs1]

There is no way that is true unless you forget inflation and purchasing power.

It's happening to all collectables from past generations, people today aren't keeping grandmas China, they are tossing it unless it's really rare and really expensive. Guns aren't immune to societal shifts.

You believe what ever you like. I know different
Tell that to my grandfathers $99 dollar model 12 that was last appraised at $7500 us or his model 21 skeet guns
F'k inflation, I lost 33 % of my pension when 911 hit never to return I didnot lose a penny collecting shotguns for 50 years. I am happy with selling wingmasters for $500 that I paid 129 bucks for new
I just sold a $4.00 1966 GM compass NOS for $2000 US how is that for inflation or how about a $39.00 truck moulding for $800 US
NOS Muscle car parts is where I should have put all my money years ago
Cheers

 

[The_Milk_Man]

You are right there. But like that with everything . I see it now with muscle cars. The guys who want my 70 chevelle are all in the 60's not the 25 year olds
Cheers

I think the main difference in those 2 age categories is disposable income. I'd love a classic gm but sadly it wouldn't compliment my need for a practical vehicle, much like a pretty SxS doesn't compliment my love of waterfowl hunting. If i had the money I'd love to have a collection but my gun safe and driveway are currently described as a minimalist environment

 

[heronfish]

You believe what ever you like. I know different
Tell that to my grandfathers $99 dollar model 12 that was last appraised at $7500 us or his model 21 skeet guns
F'k inflation, I lost 33 % of my pension when 911 hit never to return I didnot lose a penny collecting shotguns for 50 years. I am happy with selling wingmasters for $500 that I paid 129 bucks for new
I just sold a $4.00 1966 GM compass NOS for $2000 US how is that for inflation or how about a $39.00 truck moulding for $800 US
NOS Muscle car parts is where I should have put all my money years ago
Cheers

Cherry picking a few items is hardly a trend towards never losing money on guns.

If you did 150 for a wingmaster in the 70s you have lost you butt in inflation. This is what happened to most guns and will continue to happen.
Real estate and mutual guns are for investing, guns are for coecting and enjoying. They are different animals.

 

[3macs1]

I think the main difference in those 2 age categories is disposable income. I'd love a classic gm but sadly it wouldn't compliment my need for a practical vehicle, much like a pretty SxS doesn't compliment my love of waterfowl hunting. If i had the money I'd love to have a collection but my gun safe and driveway are currently described as a minimalist environment

I agree. Plus it is way more difficult to have extra cash in 2018 vs the 60's
Cheers

 

[3macs1]

Cherry picking a few items is hardly a trend towards never losing money on guns.

If you did 150 for a wingmaster in the 70s you have lost you butt in inflation. This is what happened to most guns and will continue to happen.
Real estate and mutual guns?? are for investing, guns are for coecting and enjoying. They are different animals.

I would not class hundreds of guns when I was collecting as a few. You pick the right ones back in the day and you will not lose money on them
Collecting guns never lost as much as the stock market did to me that is for sure
Ok just finished up one of these
Stuff like the air meters we got for free when they were taking them off service stations. Yes I stashed a few but could have had truck loads if I was not so stupid
Now I can sell them for $1500-1800 any day of the week with zero investment other than some time and paint.
There is still money to be made in collectables and antiques including guns mind you all the TV shows and e-bay has made it tougher

LOL I guess the proof comes later in life. Come from a group of dirt poor WV coal miners but retired at age 46 here so must have did something right with the money I made. How is your investments working for you

 

[heronfish]

I would not class hundreds of guns when I was collecting as a few. You pick the right ones back in the day and you will not lose money on them
Never lost as much as the stock market did to me that is for sure
Ok just finished up one of these
Stuff like the air meters we got for free when they were taking them off service stations. Yes I stashed a few but could have had truck loads if I was not so stupid
Now I can sell them for $1500-1800 any day of the week with zero investment other than some time and paint.
There is still money to be made in collectables and antiques including guns

You're beginning to sound like the hunter who claims you should shoot x round because every animal he has shot falls on the spot. He is invariably lying or inexperienced.

So if you're the master of all things guns, I bow to you.

Guns that can be purchased readily today aren't going to appreciate with inflation. If you're buying today buy because you want it. The guns that will appreciate today are beyond most peoples purchasing power.

 

[3macs1]

You're beginning to sound like the hunter who claims you should shoot x round because every animal he has shot falls on the spot. He is invariably lying or inexperienced.

So if you're the master of all things guns, I bow to you.

Guns that can be purchased readily today aren't going to appreciate with inflation. If you're buying today buy because you want it. The guns that will appreciate today are beyond most peoples purchasing power.

I am the master of nothing
Just pointing out that there are worst things we can spend money on than guns for investments and if we gather wisely one will not lose money on them unless Justin changes that
All I have been trying to say is you are wrong here and I have proof of that

Yesterday's field guns ( plain auto5s, 1100s, 870s and model 12s) are worth nothing on the used market and that won't change any time soon.


Cheers

 

[heronfish]

I am the master of nothing
Just pointing out that there are worst things we can spend money on than guns for investments and if we gather wisely one will not lose money on them unless Justin changes that
All I have been trying to say is you are wrong here and I have proof of that

Yesterday's field guns ( plain auto5s, 1100s, 870s and model 12s) are worth nothing on the used market and that won't change any time soon.


Cheers

We will just agree to disagree.
I have bought and sold enough guns, including some that were worth a fair penny new, to know most guns will collapse in value. I would never advise anyone to buy a gun hoping it increases in value. Put that money into your rrsp and a mutual fund and you will be far further ahead in 20 years with less risk.

 

[Falconflyer]

I've done well enough over the years on guns I've purchased used and resold. Most of them I tinker with, maybe refinish a stock or acurize a hunting rifle, develop a load or two for then re sell for sometimes $50 bucks or a $100 bucks profit, it's a hobby not a business. The really good ones or ones I like a lot go into my collection but most of them get sold to finance another new project gun. I haven't lost money on many guns but the ones I use a lot such as my sporting clays guns I don't expect to make money on just based on the amount they get used.

 

[kamlooky]

Jeeezsbust heronfish..............ware wood one be widdout toys?

Good run awn call'in out mackattack, I really enjoyed his rebuttawls.

Thanks for the photos on the air gizmo.
Fruck, now I want one.

 

[heronfish]

Jeeezsbust heronfish..............ware wood one be widdout toys?

Good run awn call'in out mackattack, I really enjoyed his rebuttawls.

Thanks for the photos on the air gizmo.
Fruck, now I want one.

I love toys. We all need toys.
Not a shotgun, but I bought an 1885 in 375 h&h. Really nice, uncommon iron. I enjoy it. I don't expect to make money on it when I sell it.

 

[caramel]

I like new stuff.