C-71 set for third reading Tomorrow.

[rangebob]

please stop spreading bull#### information,C=71 is nowhere near a LGR,,they're not even taking any firearm info,so much for the LGR fear mongering,

One of the purposes of an LGR is to confiscate an individuals firearms.
If they know the PAL# they want to confiscate from then:
a) they look at the list of ReferenceNumber buyer transactions for the PALer they're interested in, and find out what stores they bought from (seller PAL#), and go to the store and look up by ReferenceNumber/Date the make/model/serial of the non-restricted firearms he bought. That information is there for 20 years.
b) if they bought from private individuals, then they use big data to find that seller PAL#'s web forum userids, and use their copies of forum sell information to find make/model (but not serial) of the non-restricted firearms that were sold to him. If the seller is selling one firearm that within two weeks, this works pretty well. It's a bit hit and miss if they didn't sell/buy, or if they instead sold it to another getting another ReferenceNumber for the second sale, or if they're selling multiple firearms within the two weeks.
So, it's a slower LGR for both (a) and (b), but big data could make the latter (b) almost as quick but less accurate as the old LGR.

Variations on this work if a firearm is changed from non-restricted to prohibited.
(a) you use import stats to find the stores that sold it, and run through the store's CFO logs finding everyone who bought that make/model, and get the serial numbers and PAL#, and go and confiscate.
(b) you use big data to find the make/model, and get the seller PAL#, then use the ReferenceNumber database to find the buyer PAL, and go confiscate.

Both of these are a lot of work and a big waste of money, but doable.

 

[bearhunter]

please stop spreading bull#### information,C=71 is nowhere near a LGR,,they're not even taking any firearm info,so much for the LGR fear mongering,

Whiskey1. I know some people just don't want to face reality. I won't ask for your reasons why you don't want to see what's actually behind this bill and the DAMAGE it is doing to YOUR RIGHTS as a Canadian firearms enthusiast. Not to mention the GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN OUR LIVES BEING PUSHED EVER DEEPER.

You obviously haven't done any REAL due diligence into the aspects of this bill and it's future ramifications to firearms ownership in Canada. It is an onerous and strictly degenerative action by the LIBERALS/ANTIS to go back to their original intention for the creation of C68, complete confiscation of all civilian firearms ownership in Canada.

Read the posts by "rangebob" IF YOU CAN HANDLE SOME TRUTH. He does some extremely extensive work and attains much of his information from Statistics Canada and other sources with Freedom of Information Requests, at his own expense. He's done all of the hard work for you. What is it you've missed???

 

[greg olmstead]

There has to be something we can do to shut the government down with all the scandals going on with the liberals. Lock them out or force a recall election. Something

 

[Mr_Mike]

There has to be something we can do to shut the government down with all the scandals going on with the liberals. Lock them out or force a recall election. Something

Unlike the US, we have far fewer checks and balances.

 

[Wiskey1]

Oh really, for what other purpose would they put this in place except to know who has what?

bull..ther're not taking any firearm info,,so tell me exactly how is it a LGR,,LOL

 

[Wiskey1]

Whiskey1. I know some people just don't want to face reality. I won't ask for your reasons why you don't want to see what's actually behind this bill and the DAMAGE it is doing to YOUR RIGHTS as a Canadian firearms enthusiast. Not to mention the GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN OUR LIVES BEING PUSHED EVER DEEPER.

You obviously haven't done any REAL due diligence into the aspects of this bill and it's future ramifications to firearms ownership in Canada. It is an onerous and strictly degenerative action by the LIBERALS/ANTIS to go back to their original intention for the creation of C68, complete confiscation of all civilian firearms ownership in Canada.

Read the posts by "rangebob" IF YOU CAN HANDLE SOME TRUTH. He does some extremely extensive work and attains much of his information from Statistics Canada and other sources with Freedom of Information Requests, at his own expense. He's done all of the hard work for you. What is it you've missed???

i did read the bill..also have some freinds involved in it,and NOWHERE do it mention taking any firearms info,all they want is to make sure we verify buyers licenses,.so keep fear mongering,as if most guys will bother with calling to verify,you have a license,you showed it to me,it's valid,that's good enough for me,in any case,i doubt this will even pass again,,the Libtards have so many issues against them right now,with their party heading for extinction,i doubt they want to piss off and blow off a million more votes,

 

[mileageman]

i did read the bill..also have some freinds involved in it,and NOWHERE do it mention taking any firearms info,all they want is to make sure we verify buyers licenses,.so keep fear mongering,as if most guys will bother with calling to verify,you have a license,you showed it to me,it's valid,that's good enough for me,in any case,i doubt this will even pass again,,the Libtards have so many issues against them right now,with their party heading for extinction,i doubt they want to piss off and blow off a million more votes,

Did you not read RangeBob's posts? He clearly outlined how the registry of transfers is basically a LGR.

 

[caramel]

After C 71 i know for one, i will not be buying nothing except restricteds, optics and small stuff.

 

[Wiskey1]

Did you not read RangeBob's posts? He clearly outlined how the registry of transfer is basically a LGR.

i did read it,,where do you see anything related to taking firearms information?.store have ALWAYS kept records of sales,so that's nothing new,but the info is useless since non restricteds can change hands may times the minute it leaves the store,so much for that store bought stored info being usefull.some will say,that when you call in to check a license they can know how many firearms you own,which again is worthless,since they dont know how many you have already,and since most serious guy have some rather large collections,they'll never know how many firearms you own,as for the same fear mongering about confiscation,that's been going on for 50 years,and yes some people did loose some stuff whit the bull prohib crap that went down before,but these days,the world is way different,and you can be assured that NOBODY is giving up anything no matter what garbage the Libs throw at us,and with RAPL license increasing by very large margins every year,the anti-gun woosies are realizing we are now a VERY LARGE group,well organized and well funded,and that scares the crap out of them,remember the biggest mouthes in the anti-gun nutgroups are very well paid to keep fear mongering and manufacturing a non existant gun crisis,they stand to loose so cushy jobs if they dont keep the pressure up,the one good thing we have now,is,we are LOUD,the libs know we are here,and i have it on very good authority,they know 3 million licensed owners,along with about 1 spouse per license holder and with 1 influencable voter that can work out to about 9 million votes against them,compared to the few votes they get by appeasing the anti-gun groups,and with the Libs most like going extinct in 2019,let's hope they figure out it's better to stay on out good side,and by then Canada will have gotten their head straight and destroy the Liberal party for decades to come,one can always dream,

 

[PinkyPlinker]

First person to call in a transfer will find out just what info is being collected.

 

[FLYBYU44]

In New Zealand the cops were pulling up sales records from gun shops and then showing up at individual's work looking for the guns that they may or may not own. If you can't see that this will happen here at some point, bury your head in the sand a little deeper. Wish I wasn't broke as hell right now, I would be loading up with NR semi autos.

 

[BiggerDigger]

Your just in kidding your self it you don't think the end result will be there after all the firearms.
There's no way they can have a dictatorship with out taking all firearms from the public first.
Every study history? You just go on believing what them lying bastard telling you. Turd and his group of jackasses would never lie to us right. There will come a day when you look back at this day to see just how wrong you are. You must be a Liberal supporter, why else would you be on this site defending the Turd and his jackasses. Don't feed the trolls boys..

 

[Gmoney47]

How do you watch the third reading live?

 

[Cameron SS]

My restricted to non- restricted ratio is very high 24/30. Does not matter to me.

You think this bill doesnt affect restricted firearms? If so, that is incredibly obtuse.

Have been out of the loop for a bit on this bill, are they really expecting people to voluntarily enlist themselves into this not-registry during a private to private sale?

Yes, because gun owners have not sent the message loud and clear that we will not comply. If the government actually underatood that we wouldnt comply they wouldnt move forward with it.

 

[shadowhunterbob]

So for those of us with a deposit on the Modern Sporters yet TB manufactured, is it possible just to pay the other half to complete the transaction and let you modify my firearm and deliver it next year?

 

[mileageman]

i did read it,,where do you see anything related to taking firearms information?.store have ALWAYS kept records of sales,so that's nothing new,but the info is useless since non restricteds can change hands may times the minute it leaves the store,so much for that store bought stored info being usefull.some will say,that when you call in to check a license they can know how many firearms you own,which again is worthless,since they dont know how many you have already,and since most serious guy have some rather large collections,they'll never know how many firearms you own,as for the same fear mongering about confiscation,that's been going on for 50 years,and yes some people did loose some stuff whit the bull prohib crap that went down before,but these days,the world is way different,and you can be assured that NOBODY is giving up anything no matter what garbage the Libs throw at us,and with RAPL license increasing by very large margins every year,the anti-gun woosies are realizing we are now a VERY LARGE group,well organized and well funded,and that scares the crap out of them,remember the biggest mouthes in the anti-gun nutgroups are very well paid to keep fear mongering and manufacturing a non existant gun crisis,they stand to loose so cushy jobs if they dont keep the pressure up,the one good thing we have now,is,we are LOUD,the libs know we are here,and i have it on very good authority,they know 3 million licensed owners,along with about 1 spouse per license holder and with 1 influencable voter that can work out to about 9 million votes against them,compared to the few votes they get by appeasing the anti-gun groups,and with the Libs most like going extinct in 2019,let's hope they figure out it's better to stay on out good side,and by then Canada will have gotten their head straight and destroy the Liberal party for decades to come,one can always dream,

I don't even know what to say to this. Here goes my last attempt at hopefully making you fully aware of how C-71 is going to work. You obviously don't understand C-71, I suggest you go re-read Rangebob's posts again. And if there are parts you don't understand, you should ask questions on them, so we can help you understand.

I don't think you understand how we will have to call in to the Canadian Firearms Center to get a transfer # for non-restricted sales, just like we do now for restricted firearms. The only difference will be the lack of them recording the type / serial number of the firearm. After bill C-71 passes there will be a transfer # FOR EVERY SALE OF A NON-RESTRICTED FIREARM.

And the gun orgs are not that well funded, they could do more if they had more funding available.

 

[Milanczar]

i did read the bill..also have some freinds involved in it,and NOWHERE do it mention taking any firearms info,all they want is to make sure we verify buyers licenses,.so keep fear mongering,as if most guys will bother with calling to verify,you have a license,you showed it to me,it's valid,that's good enough for me,in any case,i doubt this will even pass again,,the Libtards have so many issues against them right now,with their party heading for extinction,i doubt they want to piss off and blow off a million more votes,

That is pretty well doing Liberal and Anti messaging and 'soft soaping' so as to be indistinguishable in motive.

Its been called 'whistling in the dark' and other less charitable things

Its pretty well clear that this is not a 'convincing' issue but an unreasoned opinion of the types we know so well that only see their desired truths but not the factual ones.

The cyclical frantic insistence to contradict is a dead giveaway.

Words and facts will have no effect on this one as we have seen in prior examples.

 

[ColinD]

So for those of us with a deposit on the Modern Sporters yet TB manufactured, is it possible just to pay the other half to complete the transaction and let you modify my firearm and deliver it next year?

THIS.

I would also like to know about this. I have two coming this fall and would like to keep them off any sort of "list"

I figure that ATRS would have to assign serial numbers to orders ahead of time, which I don't think they've been doing.

 

[brownie]

So if it does pass it still takes time to go into effect correct? So a modern Sporter would not need to be paid in full today, just before it becomes law?

maybe they will make the new law reto-active ,like they did when C-68 came to power.
newly prohibited handguns that were bought shortly before C-68 were confiscated if you did not own a prohibited before a specific date.
can,t recall the time frame.

GB

 

[Wiskey1]

I don't even know what to say to this. Here goes my last attempt at hopefully making you fully aware of how C-71 is going to work. You obviously don't understand C-71, I suggest you go re-read Rangebob's posts again. And if there are parts you don't understand, you should ask questions on them, so we can help you understand.

I don't think you understand how we will have to call in to the Canadian Firearms Center to get a transfer # for non-restricted sales, just like we do now for restricted firearms. The only difference will be the lack of them recording the type / serial number of the firearm. After bill C-71 passes there will be a transfer # FOR EVERY SALE OF A NON-RESTRICTED FIREARM.

And the gun orgs are not that well funded, they could do more if they had more funding available.

LOL..how is a transfer number for a firearm that they have zero information on a LGR,dont get wrong,i hate these libatrds,there nobody more anti Liberal than me,but i also dont worry about #### that's not happening,no firearm info,no LGR,like is said before store sales have been recorded for decades,the info is useless the minute you leave the store,and seriously,do you think most people will follow this bullcrap law,90% could care less,and will just keep buying and selling as usuall.the best thing we can do right now is to make sure to bring on the extinction of the liberal party in 2019,we're well on our way,let's make sure Trudeau and his nutjobs never get into office for decades,talking of taking guns away was always a go to ploy for Liberals to get votes,but now,the pushback from our side is HUGE,and they know it,