C-71 set for third reading Tomorrow.

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rangebob said:
One of the purposes of an LGR is to confiscate an individuals firearms.

If they know the PAL# they want to confiscate from then:
a) they look at the list of ReferenceNumber buyer transactions for the PALer they're interested in, and find out what stores they bought from (seller PAL#), and go to the store and look up by ReferenceNumber/Date the make/model/serial of the non-restricted firearms he bought. That information is there for 20 years.

b) if they bought from private individuals, then they use big data to find that seller PAL#'s web forum userids, and use their copies of forum sell information to find make/model (but not serial) of the non-restricted firearms that were sold to him. If the seller is selling one firearm that within two weeks, this works pretty well. It's a bit hit and miss if they didn't sell/buy, or if they instead sold it to another getting another ReferenceNumber for the second sale, or if they're selling multiple firearms within the two weeks.

So, it's a slower LGR for both (a) and (b), but big data could make the latter (b) almost as quick but less accurate as the old LGR.

Variations on this work if a firearm is changed from non-restricted to prohibited.
(a) you use import stats to find the stores that sold it, and run through the store's CFO logs finding everyone who bought that make/model, and get the serial numbers and PAL#, and go and confiscate.
(b) you use big data to find the make/model, and get the seller PAL#, then use the ReferenceNumber database to find the buyer PAL, and go confiscate.

Both of these are a lot of work and a big waste of money, but doable.
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(b) would be another liberal wet dream. Where do you get this stuff???
 
What happens to all the deposits and full payments you guys collected, in the event of a semi ban?
 
45C said:
I agree, all this, oh maybe we’ll be grandfathered is a pile of Sh!t.
They can shove that up their azz.
I,m not going to jail, because I got people who depend on me, but I’m not giving up anything either.
There’s other avenues.
Also if anybody thinks this will only cost them the amount of votes that equals AR owners, they better recalibrate,
Every AR/Handgun owner has at least 4 other people who they can persuade sho to vote for.

So the lib #### sucker S had better do their math.

Anyway, I think this is mostly just another BS rumor, no different than the others.


Lol sorry for the rant , but it’s whiskey night.
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You have a night for whiskey, I thought every night was whiskey/Rum/scotch/vodka night,,, and by night I mean 5 minutes after the firearms are safely locked away!
 
45C said:
What happens to all the deposits and full payments you guys collected, in the event of a semi ban?
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I can't speak for ATRS but being as they took deposits in good faith and have no influence on laws being changed I would expect BOTH parties would suffer a loss.
When I purchased mine prior to the FRT garbage being known, it was crystal clear that there was a risk, which many of us took. Do you think any of the big gun makers will refund your $$ for a handgun you purchased?
Life is full of risks, if you want certainty for anything you will be disappointed. The gun culture lives with the fact that a simple OIC can change what a person is allowed to own, use, transport or sell. We have seen this with virtually every lieberal regime.

Do you not think that ATRS would not suffer a horrific loss if their prime sales product was suddenly made restricted or prohibited? I have seen the LARGE quantities of Modern Sporter uppers and lowers they either have done or in the process of, we are talking HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars already spent getting them to the point they are, not to mention the large investment in design, programs, fixtures and tooling.
They stepped up several years ago, beforeany other manufacturer would take the risk they did in putting forward a design for a NR semi auto rifle. Is it fair that they absorb ALL the risks?
 
Hey I’m just asking.
With the FRT thing at least you still got a set.
I was in before the FRT and have purchased a few things from ATRS.
Top notch,
But in this case,as they’re now taking full payment, how are they going to lose anything? Other than future MS sales.

Also, I think ATRS was making money before the MS,MV,MH came along.
 
Chatrbaz84 said:
Modern hunter will stay NR after c71?
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Who knows. C71 has 3 prohibited categories, 1 for swiss, 1 for 858, 1 for anything Trudeau was to ban by order. Blair probably was building a list in his study trying to get as many scary "assault" rifles as he could. So, tomorrow could be a last chance to ask what is planned to be invcluded in 12(9) category.
 
no-one special said:
I can't speak for ATRS but being as they took deposits in good faith and have no influence on laws being changed I would expect BOTH parties would suffer a loss.
When I purchased mine prior to the FRT garbage being known, it was crystal clear that there was a risk, which many of us took. Do you think any of the big gun makers will refund your $$ for a handgun you purchased?
Life is full of risks, if you want certainty for anything you will be disappointed. The gun culture lives with the fact that a simple OIC can change what a person is allowed to own, use, transport or sell. We have seen this with virtually every lieberal regime.

Do you not think that ATRS would not suffer a horrific loss if their prime sales product was suddenly made restricted or prohibited? I have seen the LARGE quantities of Modern Sporter uppers and lowers they either have done or in the process of, we are talking HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars already spent getting them to the point they are, not to mention the large investment in design, programs, fixtures and tooling.
They stepped up several years ago, beforeany other manufacturer would take the risk they did in putting forward a design for a NR semi auto rifle. Is it fair that they absorb ALL the risks?
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Since when Libranos cared about losses by businesses? Maybe when introduced carbon tax?
 
RKRZ said:
a business can partially offset this kind of loss by selling raw materials, capital assets, etc. so you're wrong.
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Well according to the guys at ATRS they have devoted almost their entire shop to production of Sporters, so I think the loss of income would cripple them if not kill them entirely. I think Rick said 90% of their income now was from Sporters.
Not much market for a few tons of aluminum that has been either cut into small blocks or had 90% of its weight removed during the machining processes. What is the value of scrap aluminum these days ? A few cents per pound?
In Alberta used machines are dirt cheap given the number of bankruptcies of machine shops dedicated to serving the nearly dead oil patch.
A tax offset is ALONG way from covering the losses generated from having 90% of your income deemed non saleable.
What sickens me is seeing a small company that was started from literally nothing and that has succeeded through innovation and hard work being sacrificed by an evil government
 
45C said:
Hey I’m just asking.
With the FRT thing at least you still got a set.
I was in before the FRT and have purchased a few things from ATRS.
Top notch,
But in this case,as they’re now taking full payment, how are they going to lose anything? Other than future MS sales.

Also, I think ATRS was making money before the MS,MV,MH came along.
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I believe that if the product is paid in full BEFORE the law changes you would still get your receiver set. What the classification is then is anyone's guess. Losing their basic income is another thing.
 
no-one special said:
What sickens me is seeing a small company that was started from literally nothing and that has succeeded through innovation and hard work being sacrificed by an evil government
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Hey hey nothing is done yet, no order has been given.

Let's not act like this was a done deal.
 
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