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Just curious how many folks here have seen or owned a C Broadarrow No1 MKIII - particularly from WW1. I never have, but I have heard they are out there, and I'm wondering how scarce thay are.
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Not really "Rare" but they are "Scarce." You can still find them at the larger Gun Shows or as mentioned, every once in a while there is one on the EE. Like almost all the Milsurp rifles, the supply is limited, and we seem to have more Collectors interested in the Milsurps today.
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Here's pics of mine. At one time issued to 1st Canadian Permanent Machine Gun corp. which existed from 1920-22. Got re-barrelled at Longbranch in '42. Lots of our boys handled this one.
In 1939, Canada was holding over 100,000 SMLEs and a somewhat larger number of Rosses of different marks. When Cdn. troops in Europe were re-equipped with No. 4s, the SMLEs were turned in; likely stayed overseas. Maybe some of them eventually returned as surplus, along with thousands of other Lee Enfields. No doubt some of the ones which remained in Canada were sold surplus here - before the policy of destroying any surplus arms became standard.
Canadian-marked SMLEs are out there, but Buffdog's description as "scarce" is the right word. I seem to recall there being one at the last Easter show in Calgary, priced at about $600. That's the only one I've seen at any local shows in the last couple of years. Demand exceeds supply as we near the 100th anniversary of the Great War.
It took me a while, with fairly active searching, to find mine a couple of years ago, a 1918 BSA, still with it's original '18 barrel, matching early cocking piece and 'dimpled' fore-end for the uninstalled volley sights. A lot rougher than longbranch*'s and no stock disk markings, though.
I have one from 1916 I think. Some dirt bag tryed to refinish the stock though and put some sort of shiney varnish on it. Will post pics in the next day or 2. You can still see the canadian stamps on the stock though.
My interest was sparked by a conversation with a gent who was aware of several thousand Lee's and several hundred to perhaps a thousand Rosses in the posession of the Federal Government - some NEW. I was kind of curious what the value of a stash like that would be. Along with Brown Besses, and trade muskets among other hardware.
Canada seems to have got a lot, if not most, SSA made No. 1 Mk III*... and a big whole lot of the No. 1 were made into sporters in the inter-war times... so, to find one marked with the C-Broad arrow, it's usually easier to start to look at sporterized ones...
Here's an old pic of my C Broad Arrow No 1 Mk III*. Can't recall the year/manufacturer off hand, maybe BSA 1917, but my memory is notoriously faulty...at least that's what my wife tells me.....
Here's an old pic of my C Broad Arrow No 1 Mk III*. Can't recall the year/manufacturer off hand, maybe BSA 1917, but my memory is notoriously faulty...at least that's what my wife tells me.....
1916 BSA, Re-barrelled 1923 (IIRC), FTR'd 1953, C-broad arrow stamped somewhere in between. Like Nyles it also sports some Australian fore-wood (Sanderson I believe). She sure has seen a life of service.
I have a Mk III* manufactured by BSA Co in 1915 that has C Broad Arrow marks on the right side of the butt, on the knox-form and in two places on the reciever ring. They are pretty much in the same place as those shown in the pictures posted by RangeRover. They were rare even back in 1973 when I acquired it.
I have a BSA made 1917 C/l\ which also possesses the extremely uncommon LB markings on the bbl. unfortunately it had been sporterized and all the receiver markings scrubbed. Also, C/l\ marks on Sht LE rifles would only have been put on rifles after WWI. While any rifles that were Canadian owned after the war would have been later marked, It's pretty much impossible to know which ones were were Canadian property during the war, but a safe bet most were acquired post war.
Here's my contribution, and sorry for the big pic.
It's a 1918 dated mk3* with C/|\, which has a Wrights Ltd 1916 dated sling, still with ink /|\.
The barrel is as pristine as the day it left the line. Every number matches, with original finish and wood. As with most photos, the finish is actually better than depicted, but that's the best I can do taking quick photos.
One of these days I may get to shoot it.