C5A1 engraving photo

As in the CF-5 fighter? Where are you? There's one in front of the Officer's mess on CFB Borden. Mounted low so you can pet it. There's also one in the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton. Ont.
There are lots of good pictures on line too. Do a Yahoo search for Northrop CF-5. Start here. Add the W's. .airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/historical/freefightlst_e.asp
 
C5 was the designation of the old Browning M1919 GPMG. Yeah, we used them until 1985.

see http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/mediawiki-1.5.5/index.php?title=Machine_Gun#C5_General_Purpose_Machine_Gunhttp://www.canadiansoldiers.com/mediawiki-1.5.5/index.php?title=Machine_Gun

Canada adopted the Browning M1919A4, rechambered 7.62mm NATO ammunition, and designated it the C1 for fixed applications and C1A1 for flexible applications. Product improvements to the gun saw them redesignated C5 and C5A1 respectively.
 
C5 was the designation of the old Browning M1919 GPMG. Yeah, we used them until 1985.
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They were used much later than that. I was still being issued one for the top of my M113 until spring of 1997.

Canada adopted the Browning M1919A4, rechambered 7.62mm NATO ammunition, and designated it the C1 for fixed applications and C1A1 for flexible applications. Product improvements to the gun saw them redesignated C5 and C5A1 respectively.
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There are photos of the C5A1 GPMG markings shown on the FRT.
Officially there never was a C5. The designation C5A1 was was given to the C1 upon upgrade. This was so the nomenclature would not end up being C1A1, which would cause confusion with the FN rifle.

That said, the operators handbook for this gun is titled:
"The machine gun, 7.62mm C5"

The FRT lists the C5, but does not/cannot show a picture since a gun marked like this never existed. The GPMGs were either marked C1 or else C5A1. There was nothing in between these.
 
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This is from the FRT. I had to take a photo of the photo on my monitor, since the FRT doesn't allow you to export the photos, other than to your printer.
Someone more computer literate than me might be able to do it, but this is as far as my computer skills will take me.

The X'd out item on the top line would have been the C1 designation.
The W in the serial number would have been for Windsor, which is where the Border City Industries guns were built.
The little stylised arrow is the Canadian military inspectors mark starting from the 50s, and could be found on everything from clothing to guns to webbing.
The rest of the ###x'd out portion would have been the origional 1919A4 designator, and the US Cal .30

Here is a photo of the earlier C1 script.
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stencollector, to help you with your computer skills there is a print screen button on the top left of your keybord.

Press it, then opne your photo / paint whatever graphic program and hit the paste function.

crop / cut off the outsides that show the windows crap on the screen and then save as a jpg / bmp / gif image and your done :)
 
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They were used much later than that. I was still being issued one for the top of my M113 until spring of 1997.
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And I thought in 1978 that it was incredible that we were still using a WW2 GPMG! (That being said, it was cool to fire those long bursts). :p

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That said, the operators handbook for this gun is titled:
"The machine gun, 7.62mm C5"
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This one is from late '70's timeframe. Still says C1 at that time. (Knew I had one so I dug it up and just took a couple pics of it).

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The green plastic covered pam (B-GL-317-004/PT-001) from 1990 calls it a C5 on the cover. However, it refers to it as the machine gun 7.62 throughout the text.
The use of C5 in this manual is puzzling, since all maintenace manuals refer to it is the C5A1.

The following paragraph comes from one of the maintenance manuals:

1. The Machine-Gun, 7.62 millimetre, C5A1 is the second generation of the C1 general purpose machine-gun. Normally the C1 weapon upon modification would have been designated C1A1, the "A1" suffix denoting the first major change. However, this would have confused the weapon with the C1A1 rifle, so a new specific identifier was deemed necessary for this new weapon configuration. In 1978, the new identifier C5A1 was adopted to designate weapons modified to the current configuration.

2. The Machine-Gun, 7.62 millimetre, C1, which is the basis for the C5A1 weapon, was itself a converted weapon. The C1 weapon was a standard Browning .30 calibre 1919A4 general purpose machine-gun converted to accept and fire 7.62 millimetre NATO standard ammunition. The first generation configuration, embodied in 1967, suffered from some basic design problems creating operative malfunctions. Further design problems that were required to solve these problems and create the C5A1 configuration weapon are as follows:...
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Your copy of CFP 317-4 is one I do not have in my collection. Do you want to part with it? Another item I need for my GPMG collection is the checklist for either the C1 or the C5A1 GPMG. I would like to make sure I have all the appropriate goodies in the chest.
 
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This is from the FRT. I had to take a photo of the photo on my monitor, since the FRT doesn't allow you to export the photos, other than to your printer. Someone more computer literate than me might be able to do it, but this is as far as my computer skills will take me.
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Have you tryed pressing the print screen button (next to F12) and then opening your photo editor program and selecting paste? It should work unless the FRT disks have something to prevent it.
 
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Your copy of CFP 317-4 is one I do not have in my collection. Do you want to part with it? Another item I need for my GPMG collection is the checklist for either the C1 or the C5A1 GPMG. I would like to make sure I have all the appropriate goodies in the chest.
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Sure. Check your PM.
 
By the way, if you are planning to engrave the C5A1 rollstamp onto, say, a TNW receiver - be careful. If you remove the original markings, you might well be making it impossible to prove you have an RCMP approved semi-auto vs. a home-built one that needs to be re-inspected by the RCMP for approvals. It might not be a problem, but you may wish to call and ask?

Also, you don't want to make it too perfect of you could be accused of having stolen army property.
 
I like the Boarder City industries marking B.C.I. I've been trying to get as many parts marked BCI for my 1919A4 just to Canadianize (new word) it
 
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