c7/ar-15 cocking handle and mag release
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Any of the big guys at the top of the page could help you out. However, be aware that the brass could construe this as a modification of the weapon and charges could result. I'm not talking out of my ass either. A weapons tech recently went through a court martial because he added the Badger Tac Latch to some rifles at the request of a WO. I do believe that he was found guilty, but he's appealing, based on the word "modification" I believe. The Tac Latch is in the system, but only for the CT rifles. A lot of people in the CF have nothing better to do than to try and f&*k people around just because they can.
One solution may be to ask the tech to replace them for you, especially the ambi release since not all weapons have them yet. Still can't believe that we're forced to use a piece of equipment that will eject your mag on you just by carrying it against your body. I've seen an exponential increase in the number of inadvertantly drop mags because right handed personnel have had this forced on them. Funny thing is not all rifles have them, I know a few lefties that would like them, but their rifle still only has a right hand release. Think the CQ would sort it out for them? Maybe when he's in a better mood. Believe that this should be like the old "CS" short stocks and added or removed at the users request, but that would have cut into Diemaco's profit.
One solution may be to ask the tech to replace them for you, especially the ambi release since not all weapons have them yet. Still can't believe that we're forced to use a piece of equipment that will eject your mag on you just by carrying it against your body. I've seen an exponential increase in the number of inadvertantly drop mags because right handed personnel have had this forced on them. Funny thing is not all rifles have them, I know a few lefties that would like them, but their rifle still only has a right hand release. Think the CQ would sort it out for them? Maybe when he's in a better mood. Believe that this should be like the old "CS" short stocks and added or removed at the users request, but that would have cut into Diemaco's profit.
Squirrley11
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I agree should be at the users request... that damn ambi latch on the charging handle gets caught on everything! I just swap it out with my non ambi one and volla no problems its a non permiant mod so its okay.... however the mag release is a little bit different and not just drop in like a charging handle so im not sure how thats considered.
You'd think so wouldn't you. But like I said, a weapons tech was found guilty of modifying some rifles during his court martial for essentially doing the same thing. Of course, this is why he's arguing in his appeal that swapping out an easily replaceable part, with another part that is in the procurement system isn't "modifying" the weapon.
ETA: Tread lightly....
That tech should get a better lawyer..."Officially induced error" is the defence.
If a higher rank told him to do it and it is within his knowledge base for his job, then he is covered. Fu^&*ing pencil necks, I hated them when I was in ans I hate them more now that I'm out!!!
Scott
If a higher rank told him to do it and it is within his knowledge base for his job, then he is covered. Fu^&*ing pencil necks, I hated them when I was in ans I hate them more now that I'm out!!!
Scott
"modification"
the key is to put it back to the original state when you go to hand it in, already broken 2 of the new cocking handles and you won't notice mag release...and since both parts are in the system and are interchangeable...i'm all for replacing defective parts. those 2 cocking handles broke on a PW4 range.,,so i don't have too much faith in those parts for the rough and tumble of the Stan.
i'm not ambidextrous so don't need ambi parts...lol
highlander
the key is to put it back to the original state when you go to hand it in, already broken 2 of the new cocking handles and you won't notice mag release...and since both parts are in the system and are interchangeable...i'm all for replacing defective parts. those 2 cocking handles broke on a PW4 range.,,so i don't have too much faith in those parts for the rough and tumble of the Stan.
i'm not ambidextrous so don't need ambi parts...lol
highlander
skinnadoor
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I wish my unit would get new C7's !!!!!!
dangertree
Business Rep
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plug here cause you're asking, AEI has a bin full of charging handles.
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- Location
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I suspect your right there, I've seen a few charge parades where the CO has troups lined up and all the Jr Officers are assisting officers. Made his job easy.
first thing when you get charged, find some old crusty captain to be your assisting officer, someone who knows the ropes and can call in a few good witnesses.
and the crustier and disgruntled the better as for weapons mods, that will depend on who your with and how anal the RSM is. personally if no metal is permantly removed of altered your good, even better if all the parts your using are in the system.
Once again, I don't think that people should be making statements like this. Like I've already mention you may face charges if you do this. Am I saying that it's going to happen? No. Am I advising that no one do it? No, simply trying to say that their may be consequences. Do I think that anyone would even notice? Probably not.
As for ambi mag release I'd try and find a left handed person in your unit that doesn't have it installed on his weapon and ask the tech (or do it yourself
) to switch them for you.
DaveMachine
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first thing when you get charged, find some old crusty captain to be your assisting officer, someone who knows the ropes and can call in a few good witnesses.
This is true.
Craftsman 441
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Leg said:
There's a mouthful. It perfectly describes the Sgt. that had this wpns tech charged.
Squirrley11
Regular
Leg is right especially for the mag release. If a tech does it, they might take the blame off you and if hes just swaping parts of 2 rifles then no mods are really being done. However I know a few guys that have thrown Quad rails on their rifles for deployment just the snap in handguards. leaving the issued ones in KAF until they went to turn their rifle in don't see how doing the same with a cocking handle would be any different but yah I wouldnt go around telling ppl and I'd leave you cocking handle on you so if you personal one breaks you not in big trouble. But I don't really know maybe the charging handle is going too far.
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Craftsman 441
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gunplumberr
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I know the Sgt....he's been a #### since his 3's..so it doesn't surprise me one bit
he's never been the best tech..nuff said
he's never been the best tech..nuff said
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Wow I lucked out my cocking handle was busted when my a2 was issued so I got the non ambi handle and being a lefty I have had no problems with it. the ambi mag release is a pain in the backside and I still use the original. Guess I have been around the army long enough to get used to the non ambi stuff and well..... it still works fine. I saw no requirement for the ambi stuff.
Be sure you check with your chain of command before getting all the gucci kit for over here. The way it is now is pretty good I have quad rails and an iron sight on my a2 and no one has hassled me yet.....
Be sure you check with your chain of command before getting all the gucci kit for over here. The way it is now is pretty good I have quad rails and an iron sight on my a2 and no one has hassled me yet.....
First of all, as a lefty, I love the new tac-latch. Before guys start b****ing though, I understand why right-handed shooters hate it. If I had that long metal prong sticking into my gear, I'd be pretty ticked too.
However, I've never had one break, and I've put a LOT of rounds through my C8 since having the tac-latch put on. Enough to wear out one barrel, and about 10,000 rds into the second.
As for the ambi-mag release, I'm torn. Because of the design, the angle is bad for leverage, and it's a pain to release the mags. Not to mention, it's placed juuuuuuust a bit too far forward in my opinon, and I have big hands. I imagine it's a lot worse for someone with small hands. On the mag release though, I have yet to see anyone (right or left handed) drop the mag from their rifle because of the new mag release. The solution to that seems pretty simple too, hold the rifle out from your body an extra 1/2 inch.
So, what it comes down to is a matter of preference. Once again, we've seen that you can't make a modification that works for everybody (gee, who woulda thunk?
) It's too bad nobody in charge seems to learn that lesson every time we buy something (tac vest, small pack, C7A3, etc..)
I don't know why guys who hate the extra long lever of the new cocking handle would want a Badger Ordnance tac-latch. It sticks out about half as far. Sounds to me like guys chasing the LCF.
I was surprised to read about the weapons tech being charged for installing functioning parts on guns. Surprised and a bit angry at whoever charged him. Several years ago I was one of the first guys in my unit to figure out that you could put a C9 handle on the forearm of your C7, for an easy verticle grip. Almost immediately, I was threatened with a charge for modifying the weapon by a Mcpl, I think probably mostly because of jealousy.
So I researched the legality of the issue, and found out that ANY modification, temporary or permanent, is illegal, unless performed by a WEAPONS TECH. Simple enough. I took my C7 to the gun plumber & asked him to put the handle on.
Other than the tech thinking I was a complete idiot, it worked out pretty well. I never got to tell the Mcpl that it was "official," because he never confronted me on it again. Probably because within a couple days, the platoon WO had one on his gun.
From what I've read in this thread, the weapons tech who was charged was charged by another tech, so who knows what all that is about.
The moral of the story is if you want anything done to your gun, get the tech to do it. Even if it is something simple you can easily do yourself, you're better to have your bases covered, just like Leg says.
Cheers.
Tim
However, I've never had one break, and I've put a LOT of rounds through my C8 since having the tac-latch put on. Enough to wear out one barrel, and about 10,000 rds into the second.
As for the ambi-mag release, I'm torn. Because of the design, the angle is bad for leverage, and it's a pain to release the mags. Not to mention, it's placed juuuuuuust a bit too far forward in my opinon, and I have big hands. I imagine it's a lot worse for someone with small hands. On the mag release though, I have yet to see anyone (right or left handed) drop the mag from their rifle because of the new mag release. The solution to that seems pretty simple too, hold the rifle out from your body an extra 1/2 inch.
So, what it comes down to is a matter of preference. Once again, we've seen that you can't make a modification that works for everybody (gee, who woulda thunk?
) It's too bad nobody in charge seems to learn that lesson every time we buy something (tac vest, small pack, C7A3, etc..)I don't know why guys who hate the extra long lever of the new cocking handle would want a Badger Ordnance tac-latch. It sticks out about half as far. Sounds to me like guys chasing the LCF.
I was surprised to read about the weapons tech being charged for installing functioning parts on guns. Surprised and a bit angry at whoever charged him. Several years ago I was one of the first guys in my unit to figure out that you could put a C9 handle on the forearm of your C7, for an easy verticle grip. Almost immediately, I was threatened with a charge for modifying the weapon by a Mcpl, I think probably mostly because of jealousy.
So I researched the legality of the issue, and found out that ANY modification, temporary or permanent, is illegal, unless performed by a WEAPONS TECH. Simple enough. I took my C7 to the gun plumber & asked him to put the handle on.
Other than the tech thinking I was a complete idiot, it worked out pretty well. I never got to tell the Mcpl that it was "official," because he never confronted me on it again. Probably because within a couple days, the platoon WO had one on his gun.
From what I've read in this thread, the weapons tech who was charged was charged by another tech, so who knows what all that is about.
The moral of the story is if you want anything done to your gun, get the tech to do it. Even if it is something simple you can easily do yourself, you're better to have your bases covered, just like Leg says.
Cheers.
Tim
To quote a Tech update:
U.S. issued items, such as RIS (Rail Interface System) handguards, or any other purchased weapon accessory are NOTauthorized for use on CF rifles or carbines.
Any such item found will be immediately removed from the weapon.The member may retain any such item as personal property, but itwill not be used or installed on CF Small Arms.
U.S. issued items, such as RIS (Rail Interface System) handguards, or any other purchased weapon accessory are NOTauthorized for use on CF rifles or carbines.
Any such item found will be immediately removed from the weapon.The member may retain any such item as personal property, but itwill not be used or installed on CF Small Arms.
Wonder if I ever met him? He probably was a junior NCO when I was in. There were some real special cases when I was in. My cousin was a 421 as well - he had 18 years in, vs. my 14.
Sounds like a few idiots are still in the trade! Had my share.
Like the time one moron set a Cougar on fire checking the recuperator with his lighter instead of a flashlight.
Another time I just caught one idiot cocking a .50 without the back plate on, boy did he look funny with a bandage on his head and a fresh set of RTU papers in his hands(safety infraction and failure to follow CFTO's).
Ah, wonders never cease to amaze me! I don't miss the CF one bit nowdays with all it's junior generals, 14 years was enough for me.
Cheers.
