C96 Ammo...

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Hey Guys,

Purchased a C96 and while I'm waiting for the transfer to complete I was thinking of picking up some ammo for it...

Does anyone know of a place in Ontario (I'm in Burlington) that sells the .30/7.63mm Mauser rounds? It'd be nice to have some ready to take out to the range when the transfer comes through!

Cheers!
~Mike
 
GANDERITE said:
Would 7.62x25 work? lots of that around at it appears identical. Don't know about pressures.
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NO NO NO NO BAD BAD BAD BAD!!!!


Most 762x25 surplus in Canada is SMG ammo...Its even to hot for Tokarevs

It could/will blow up a C96....the shooter will EAT the moving parts of the gun

762x25 CAN be downloded....or...the proper brass can be purchased and loaded correctly
 
Klunk said:
NO NO NO NO BAD BAD BAD BAD!!!!


Most 762x25 surplus in Canada is SMG ammo...Its even to hot for Tokarevs

It could/will blow up a C96....the shooter will EAT the moving parts of the gun

762x25 CAN be downloded....or...the proper brass can be purchased and loaded correctly
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Odd that there would be much 7.62 x 25 SMG ammo in Canada. Lots more Toks and Tok clones than semi-only 7.62 x 25 SMGs (I can't think of any right now - anyone else?). Are you referring to the Czech surplus ammo?
 
Here's the info I have, first and second hand:

First hand, the standard Tokarev will function on the 7.62x25 smg ammo. Over time though, it will start self destructing, just because it isn't made for it.

Second hand, my PAL course instructor had to deal with a person in the nineties with a broomhandle mauser that spat it's bolt out and broke a guys cheek bone, took out his eye, and I believe fractured his skull at the range.

Long story, it isn't worth the gun or you to cheap out on the ammo.
 
I had heard about the Tokarev ammo problem before... Guess I'm finally going to have to break down and reload! I assume brass & bullets can be found at gunshows?
 
c96 ammo

I believe that Fiocchi is the only one presently making 7.63 Mauser fmj88gr. Try googling their site and looking for a dealer in Canada. I found about 600 rounds of some stuff from Century Arms Inc (made for them in Portugal & dated 1974) at local gun show a year ago. Typically when I find it and if the price is right I buy it all.

To repeat, never run 7.62 through your c96. Prior to shooting it make sure that you carefully examine the bolt stop. Check it for abnormal wear and make sure there are no cracks in it. If the bolt stop breaks, you may find yourself with an instant lobotomy! It is also a good idea to replace the springs, these are fairly inexpensive and available through Wolfe Spring in the USA.

Good luck and enjoy your broomhandle!

If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a PM
 
A text book mentions that the Mauser and Tok are almost identical in dimension and that the Mauser can be shot in a Tok. Does not say the reverse is true.

My Psh41 won't burp. Never occured to me that it might be the ammo. How can I tell if my ammo is for a pistol or a SMG? I have some stuff in small white boxes I bought at a gunshow and a few 1100 round metal cans. Have not opened one of those. Assumed it would be the same as the gun show ammo.

I find it hard to belive a military would have two versions of the same ammo (high pressure and lower pressure). Murphy loves the military.
 
There is a guy in Alberta who trades under the name Eagle City Trading Post. He is a Fiocchi dealer. Saw him at the Vernon show. He had .30 mauser among other things (Nagant revolver, .455 etc.). I suspect that he will not be cheap however. Although I don't currently have anything that needs feeding by Fiocchi, I snagged his card, so if anyone wants his name and phone number, let me know.
 
GANDERITE said:
A text book mentions that the Mauser and Tok are almost identical in dimension and that the Mauser can be shot in a Tok. Does not say the reverse is true.

My Psh41 won't burp. Never occured to me that it might be the ammo. How can I tell if my ammo is for a pistol or a SMG? I have some stuff in small white boxes I bought at a gunshow and a few 1100 round metal cans. Have not opened one of those. Assumed it would be the same as the gun show ammo.

I find it hard to belive a military would have two versions of the same ammo (high pressure and lower pressure). Murphy loves the military.
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I 'think' most militaries dont care

It is said that Canuck 9mm is loaded to SMG limits yet we fire it through our Hi-Powers all the time

Perhaps that is why every Hi-Power I have fired rattles and cant hit Schitet

The Czech 762x25 that is everywhere comes in little white boxes (should be on strippers)...the brass (steel) cases frequently seize in the chamber of my Tok.....the Chinese Norinco ammo the WAS available seems to NOT have that problem even though it is also steel cased
 
Ya, stuff I got at gunshows is white box, on strippers.

Canadian military 9mm I know. It is loaded to around 35,000 psi, the same pressure as any other commerical 9mm.

I shoot it in my Hi-Powrs, P-38, sten and sterling. It works just fine in them all. It may be that some other countries had two versions of 9mm, but Canada did/does not.
 
GANDERITE said:
A text book mentions that the Mauser and Tok are almost identical in dimension and that the Mauser can be shot in a Tok. Does not say the reverse is true.
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The reverse ain't true...

On other points:

1) Yes, hotter ammo was used for SMG's, esp. to "boost" the cyclie ROF.

2) I absolutely detest the way so many authors (implicitely) claimed that the 7.65mm (.32 ACP) round did the same things that the 7.63mm Mauser was known for. Chandler, Fleming and many others fell into this trap and, as someone who "learned about firearms" for himself through the hodgepodge of literature out there, this was quite frustrating. [It took me quite a while, back then as well, to learn that the ".38 automatic" so often mentioned was actually the .380 ACP].
 
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Hmmm. If I read about a "38 Auto" I would ahve assume it was a 38 ACP, quite a bit longer and hooter than a 380, which I would expect to see referred to as a 380 or a 9mm Kurtz.

Reading a glitch about a gun can really spoil a book and one's opinion of an author. In one of McLean's novels the bad guy has a cocke Colt SA and he refers to the heavy trigger. I have never felt a heavy trigger on a cocked revolver of any flavour.

Earl Stanley gardner was reputed to buy a sample of any gun he was going to mention in a book. In this way he got it right.

I just read a Steveb Hunter book "The 47th Samauri". The hero's father had a cocked Thompson and a round in the chamber. Looks like Hunter never used a SMG.
 
marstar has 7.62x25 but its czech surplus and i believe its the machine gun rounds....so looks like its no good for your gun or the tokarev:mad:
 
I just bought a case from Marstar for my TT-33, advertised as:

7.62x25TT Sellier & Bellot FMJ Ball 85grs. Steel case.

I assume the TT stands for Tula Tokarev as in TT-33? 'Cause it came on stripper clips. So, SMG ammo or pistol? Or am I doomed to "blow up good"??
 
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