C96 Broomhandle barrel re-line
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If you can't find anyone local... you could mail it to Ellwood Epps here in Ontario. I found the gunsmith did an excellent job at an excellent price, in a reasonable time... with very good results, with my old .22LR. I would bet they do pistol work as well.
Another in Ontario.... grandrivergunsmithing.com/services
Maybe Rusty Wood Trading Co. rustywood.ca/gunsmithing.html He is out your way.
Another in Ontario.... grandrivergunsmithing.com/services
Maybe Rusty Wood Trading Co. rustywood.ca/gunsmithing.html He is out your way.
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Try Bits of Pieces. I hear good things about this shop. http://www.bitsofpieces.com/
There was a rather extensive thread about this on Gunboards. The existing barrels are next to impossible to reline safely. Not saying it can't be done but comparing installing a sleeve on a C96 to just about any 22rf just isn't anywhere near realistic.
The barrels on the C96 are just to thin to safely reline.
The accepted method is to cut of the barrel at the upper frame and then thread the upper to accept a new barrel. Another method they described that worked well was to again cut of the old barrel and instead of threading, silver solder the new barrel into place. Not enough pressure there to cause any issues with either method. The latter would certainly be the easiest.
The barrels on the C96 are just to thin to safely reline.
The accepted method is to cut of the barrel at the upper frame and then thread the upper to accept a new barrel. Another method they described that worked well was to again cut of the old barrel and instead of threading, silver solder the new barrel into place. Not enough pressure there to cause any issues with either method. The latter would certainly be the easiest.
KotKotofeich
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I know that's not what you asked exactly (sorry for veering off topic), but may I suggest getting a temporary import permit to the US (6NIA), taking it over the border and shipping it to one of the gunsmiths in the US? There are people there that have a lot of experience doing c96 relining specifically. Many of such places will only need your upper so you shouldn't have trouble shipping from Alaska (I see you are close to there).
bearhunter, have a thread link? I must have missed that one - all I've seen are relatively short and sweet, and usually point to Redman's for relining.
bearhunter, have a thread link? I must have missed that one - all I've seen are relatively short and sweet, and usually point to Redman's for relining.
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The barrel is a controlled part in the USA so would require permits, unless it's an antique class broomhandle.
Blastattack
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C96 pistols don't have a barrel, per se. The entire upper receiver is a single contiguous unit. The best way to "rebarrel" a C96 is to cut off the original barrel and then bore out and thread the receiver so a new barrel can be installed. Otherwise your only real option is to seek a new upper receiver for the gun.
I looked at their site and they don't even mention the C96. There is a good reason for that. OP, just do what I did and GOOGLE or use whichever search engine you choose and query re lining a C96 broomhandle pistol. You will get a couple of sites to search out. Lots of information there from some high end gunsmiths with lots of experience.
Thanks for that link. That is a great price as well for this type of work. I wonder what he is using as a retaining compound?? I usually use Titanium Putty to do barrel liners I am going to hot blue. It works well with 30M1 Carbine barrel shanks when making up non restricted barrels and also works well on using a prohib pistol barrel as an outside sleeve liner.
I have seen the results of not properly installing a sleeve on revolvers and it often end up with a broken forcing cone mouth and other damage.
Like it or not many US pistol smiths will not even consider relining C96 barrels, because of the thin barrels. The sleeve would have to be machined in two steps of course. One diameter for the chamber area and one diameter for the rest of the barrel.
4140 is darn good barrel material. It is strong as well as machineable to very exact tolerances. Likely button rifled before they are machined to spec for installation. I followed a procedure on one old broomhandle with a smooth bore and made up a threaded barrel that was matched with the receiver which I threaded as well. The pistol was converted to a 9x19 for easier access to ammo. I followed the same procedure as described on gunboards gunsmithing section.
The tolerances for redman's rifling method will have to be extremely tight. There just isn't a lot of meat there to work with. I would certainly like to see their set up.
There is a method of using SSF6 silver solder to install sleeves on shorter barrels such as the C96. I am going to contact them. There are some relatively cheap Bolos that show up at gunshows that could be made into restricteds with his process. Very interesting and thanks again.
I have seen the results of not properly installing a sleeve on revolvers and it often end up with a broken forcing cone mouth and other damage.
Like it or not many US pistol smiths will not even consider relining C96 barrels, because of the thin barrels. The sleeve would have to be machined in two steps of course. One diameter for the chamber area and one diameter for the rest of the barrel.
4140 is darn good barrel material. It is strong as well as machineable to very exact tolerances. Likely button rifled before they are machined to spec for installation. I followed a procedure on one old broomhandle with a smooth bore and made up a threaded barrel that was matched with the receiver which I threaded as well. The pistol was converted to a 9x19 for easier access to ammo. I followed the same procedure as described on gunboards gunsmithing section.
The tolerances for redman's rifling method will have to be extremely tight. There just isn't a lot of meat there to work with. I would certainly like to see their set up.
There is a method of using SSF6 silver solder to install sleeves on shorter barrels such as the C96. I am going to contact them. There are some relatively cheap Bolos that show up at gunshows that could be made into restricteds with his process. Very interesting and thanks again.
KotKotofeich
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Yes, that's why I mentioned bringing it into the US on 6NIA. I put my antiques on it too - it's just easier to show the form to the border agent than explain antique status.
There may be other paperwork to fill out when sending something for repair, perhaps someone can pipe in, but that's what I'd do - I'd rather have someone with a lot of experience relining broomhandles do the work than have someone local who thinks they can do it.
There is now a Canadian service which is set up to reline C96 Broomhandles to 7.63x25 and can also rebarrel Broomhandles to 7.63x25 (for example, making bolos restricted only) or 9mm (including 9x19, 9x23 and potentially 9x25 - aka 9mm Mauser export - at an extra cost). Refinishing of the barrels re-barelled guns to match the original aged finish is also possible. PM me for info.
