Cadets Canada - Anschutz Rifles and Ammunition

[MrGoose]

Like a few people have said already the majority of the rifles seen are 1827f's from either the late 90's or early 00's looking at the way the actions are milled. (older actions have even more meat to them while newer are much leaner) The one identifiable classic bolt rifle is an 1827b which is a biathlon specific version of the 54. (different stock, sights and trigger) Most Cadets don't get to handle the fortners until they go to nationals since provincials are shot with old single shot light target rifles. (Don't know make or model just that most are in need of loving)

As far as ammo goes it really depends on the unit and how much they shoot since the Sea Cadet unit that I am most familiar with was still using old stock Winchester white box as of a few years ago while the Air Cadet unit that I am familiar with goes through thousands of rounds a year. (Can't remember what the Air Cadets shoot. Might be Federal, Elly, SK or CCI)

Hope this clears things up a bit

 

[Winz]

Like a few people have said already the majority of the rifles seen are 1827f's from either the late 90's or early 00's looking at the way the actions are milled. (older actions have even more meat to them while newer are much leaner) The one identifiable classic bolt rifle is an 1827b which is a biathlon specific version of the 54. (different stock, sights and trigger) Most Cadets don't get to handle the fortners until they go to nationals since provincials are shot with old single shot light target rifles. (Don't know make or model just that most are in need of loving)

As MrGoose mentions, the pictures seem to show standard 1827F actions as opposed to the 1827 F "sprint" actions. The "Sprint" actions are for all intents and purposes, the action most people are using regardless of whether they have standard or heavy barrels.

Regarding the Cadets programme, I'm pleased to learn that since DND took over all ownership and maintenance of rifles, the rifles are being tended to quite regularly and parts are even being stocked for servicing and replacement.

 

[trevj]

As MrGoose mentions, the pictures seem to show standard 1827F actions as opposed to the 1827 F "sprint" actions. The "Sprint" actions are for all intents and purposes, the action most people are using regardless of whether they have standard or heavy barrels.

Regarding the Cadets programme, I'm pleased to learn that since DND took over all ownership and maintenance of rifles, the rifles are being tended to quite regularly and parts are even being stocked for servicing and replacement.

About mid 1990's the gun plumber shop on the base I was at, got orders to scrap a bunch of their stuff. They took a whole Vidmar shelf of Anschutz sights and other spares, hit each piece with a hammer, and dumped the whole of about a five gallon bucket of destroyed parts into the scrap metal bin. Almost enough to bring a fella to tears.

 

[manicmechanic]

About mid 1990's the gun plumber shop on the base I was at, got orders to scrap a bunch of their stuff. They took a whole Vidmar shelf of Anschutz sights and other spares, hit each piece with a hammer, and dumped the whole of about a five gallon bucket of destroyed parts into the scrap metal bin. Almost enough to bring a fella to tears.

That's a shame they could have made some good coin selling them. Typical gov't, destroy it rather than sell it but the paperwork & bureaucracy involved would probably make your head spin.

Didn't realize cadets were still an ongoing thing. Last time I'd heard about them was about 10 - 15 years ago a good friend supplied the rifles & ammo for his kid's squadron of Air Cadets at a range day, which knowing him he also arranged with the cadets & range. He grumbled a little about the cost of the ammo but said the grins on the kid's faces at the end of the day was priceless....

We should be doing this more with the younger's, getting them involved in any shooting sports or hunting.

 

[Winz]

About mid 1990's the gun plumber shop on the base I was at, got orders to scrap a bunch of their stuff. They took a whole Vidmar shelf of Anschutz sights and other spares, hit each piece with a hammer, and dumped the whole of about a five gallon bucket of destroyed parts into the scrap metal bin. Almost enough to bring a fella to tears.

That's a shame they could have made some good coin selling them. Typical gov't, destroy it rather than sell it but the paperwork & bureaucracy involved would probably make your head spin.

Didn't realize cadets were still an ongoing thing. Last time I'd heard about them was about 10 - 15 years ago a good friend supplied the rifles & ammo for his kid's squadron of Air Cadets at a range day, which knowing him he also arranged with the cadets & range. He grumbled a little about the cost of the ammo but said the grins on the kid's faces at the end of the day was priceless....

We should be doing this more with the younger's, getting them involved in any shooting sports or hunting.

That is typical and truly sad of strict careless process. Unfortunately, this is a common practice that if something is not of high value (individual item) and not in regular service, the supply folks simply want to get rid of it to clear the books. Whilst I'm not against this conceptually, it is the manner by which things are taken out of service that is disheartening. In the grand scheme of things, there are number of things that do however need attention, eg crates of major assemblies of vehicles no longer in service held under CMSG and other materiel that amount of billions in assets.

After some years/decades that Cadets Canada had their own rifles and management, they have been resorbed back into DND (~5 years ago) with Connaught and Borden being a major servicing centre to support maintenance of these. I'm told they are well stocked for parts as well (surprising) and even have riflestocks on hand to replace abused wood that need some TLC.

 

[sillymike]

That's a shame they could have made some good coin selling them. Typical gov't, destroy it rather than sell it but the paperwork & bureaucracy involved would probably make your head spin.

Guns are evil... that's why we are spending $$$ to have small arm ammunition destroyed instead of selling it.

Didn't realize cadets were still an ongoing thing. Last time I'd heard about them was about 10 - 15 years ago a good friend supplied the rifles & ammo for his kid's squadron of Air Cadets at a range day, which knowing him he also arranged with the cadets & range. He grumbled a little about the cost of the ammo but said the grins on the kid's faces at the end of the day was priceless....

That range day must have been a off-the-record type of thing... Some RSO and training officer got severe reprimand because they allowed cadets to bring their own air guns to shoot.
- I'd hate to see the paperwork involved in having them fire civilian-owned powder burner!

 

[trevj]

That is typical and truly sad of strict careless process. Unfortunately, this is a common practice that if something is not of high value (individual item) and not in regular service, the supply folks simply want to get rid of it to clear the books. Whilst I'm not against this conceptually, it is the manner by which things are taken out of service that is disheartening. In the grand scheme of things, there are number of things that do however need attention, eg crates of major assemblies of vehicles no longer in service held under CMSG and other materiel that amount of billions in assets.

After some years/decades that Cadets Canada had their own rifles and management, they have been resorbed back into DND (~5 years ago) with Connaught and Borden being a major servicing centre to support maintenance of these. I'm told they are well stocked for parts as well (surprising) and even have riflestocks on hand to replace abused wood that need some TLC.

Good to hear that the CF has seen fit to allow the Cadets to continue their tradition of Marksmanship training.

Yeah, major screwed up theory of operations, when you destroy stuff in a wanton manner like that.
To the plus, one of the fellas got a couple five gallon pails of misc G-Pig parts out of the bin, in far better condition, those were traded quietly with someone that needed them more than he did, for a WW2 era vehicle in decent enough shape!

Seen far too many machine tools lifted to height and dropped on the concrete to think that most of the bin rats have (or could have) enough imagination to see the possibilities of the stuff that is being chucked away. Or maybe they do, and just don't want to end up in the middle of the worlds largest pile of 'stuff to good to throw away!' LOL!