Calibre Opinions?

go with 260 Remington



85-100 gr. for varmints, 120-140 gr. for deer.

option of loading deep penetrating 160 gr. for big game. Ive had nothing but bang-flops with the three rifles I've had so chambered, they kill deer just as good or better than my 7mm Rem Mag did, with half the powder, half the recoil, and considerably less muzzle blast. 95 gr. Hornady Vmax @ 3300 fps shoots flatter than Kansas and has the ability to reach out and touch a coyote at eye straining ranges. High sectional density and moderate velocity makes the 140's kill like an '06 on deer and such. In an 8 lb rifle it will recoil with under 15 ft-lbs of recoil, pretty mild even for a new shooter.




low recoil and alot of versatility, would be my pick....260 Rem



probably the most overlooked cartridge ever IMO...Get a 257 Bob or a 7x57 if you want to pretend you're Jack O'Connor or Karmojo Bell, or a 6.5x55 if your wife's name is Sven...

the 260 Rem is the cartridge for medium sized game at normal hunting ranges, bar none :!:




this topic is as good as done as far as I'm concerned. if anyone can give me a valid arguement opposing the 260 Rem for this purpose, I'll gladly argue with them until my fingers are dead from typing posts










TB
 
todbartell said:
Get a 257 Bob or a 7x57 if you want to pretend you're Jack O'Connor or Karmojo Bell, or a 6.5x55 if your wife's name is Sven...
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And buy a .260 if you think it's cool to reinvent the wheel by necking down the .308 Win and releasing it as Remington's latest revolutionary cartridge! :roll:
Tod, all of the qualities you attribute to the 260 Rem are the same as those possessed by the cartridge it seeks to replace, the 6.5x55.
The 6.5 Swede is a proven and more easily available round the the .260 and actually is capable of handling the long 160 grainers better because it doesn't suffer case intrusion and it's also usually long throated.
The .260 is fine but it's an "also-ran".
BTW, CZ makes lovely 6.5x55s that are economical and hardy.
Here endeth the lesson. :mrgreen:
 
The 6.5 Swede is a proven and more easily available round the the .260 and actually is capable of handling the long 160 grainers better because it doesn't suffer case intrusion and it's also usually long throated.
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You musta took a wrong turn and think you ended up in Europe. In Alberta, the 260 Rem is very available as factory ammo and is chambered in more domestic rifles than the 6.5x55.

For a youngster, the 260 in a Model 7 is as perfect as it gets. Don't forget what this thread was about. A 243 is a little handicapped at longer ranges on bigger deer and the 7mm 08 has more recoil and is considerably oversized for varmint hunting when the former are available in the same rifles usually.

I don't think there is any need to mention the odd ball cartridges when they are chambered in very few rifles today. 6mm Rem, 257 Rob, 250 savage are examples of this. All good calibres but limited to full size rifles usually and very few of them. I believe the 257 Bob is available in the Ruger International though. :mrgreen:
 
Again I am late coming in, and there has been alot of good advice given. Any of military cartridges mentioned will work well for the intended purpose, as will the .260. But I'll throw something out here that might be worth considering, the .30-06. Sure, yes, absolutely, a full factory loaded '06 would thoroughly intimidate a small - young shooter. But, if you handload, the ole '06 can lob a 200 gr. cast bullet about 1800 fps with gentle recoil and report for training and small game. A 125 gr Sierra at 2500 fps is very effective on coyotes, antelope, and small deer. A step up to 150 gr. bullets at the same velocitiy will be suitable for big whitetail and mulies. Then when your daughter is a bit older, if she wishes to take on bigger game, load up some 180's or 200's, again at moderate velocity, and she's good to go with a rifle she already has confidence in. Looks like Hornhunter and I got taught the same way.

Not much has been said about action type, and you likely have some ideas on the subject yourself, but I'm kind of stuck on starting kids out on bolt guns. I would try to find something that was not horribly expensive, with a wood stock that you can cut down to fit her, then later replace with a synthetic or if you prefer another wood stock, or you could have interchangeable stocks, one for each of you. I found a light weight Husky '06 for my wife, cut it down to fit her, equipped it with both an aperature and post sight, and a 1.75-6X Leupold with QD rings. She loves it, shoots it well, and I put less cash into it than I would of with a new, less suitable rifle.
 
If she wants a performer with low recoil look hard at the 25WSSM... they are light short actions and they are low recoil. This calibre performs like a .25-06 with the recoil of a .243 ... or less :idea:
The .257 bullets that are available now would be the ticket for coyotes and antelope... or even larger deer. :)
I have been shooting a Browning A-Bolt and I find it feeds smooth and fast and it shoots sub MOA goups. Winchester makes a Super Shadow with a blind magazine and controlled round push feed that is only 6 pounds in 25 WSSM :idea:
I wish Sako made super short actions in this caliber... it would be perfect :wink:
 
TheCanuck said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA i knew TB would get a blast out of this
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For some reason I knew he would to and I havent been around that long.

Thanks for all the info guys...I am really leaning towards the 260....its going to be a few years yet before she is ready to use it but I wanted to buy one that she can use when the time comes.
 
Ok now if I have decided on a calibre and I am partial to Remingtons would the mountain rifle be a good choice?

Sako would be nice but big price jump to the Sako 75 Grey wolf which from what I see in the Russels cateloge is the only Sako/Tikka model offered in the 260.
 
Remington m700 LSS mtn rifle is the most handsome factory rifle ever made IMO
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a better fit for a small kid would be the Model Seven youth though...
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PS, 6.5x55 fits in a long action, which would be more awkward and difficult to handle compared to a short action rifle. no flies on the ballistics of the Swede, but for a young shooter, the same performance can be had in a smaller, trimmer rifle
 
7-08 Remington..... BAR NONE the best factory short action cartridge available..... EVER!!!!!!

Anything the 260 can do, the 7-08 can do..... BETTER!!!!!!

100gr bullets for varmints are virtually recoiless, and 140gr bullets for the big stuff are real killers (with very minimal recoil). Should you require more.... 160gr bullets are abound, and 175's for the REAL big stuff (with an increase in recoil of course).

The 260 Rem is a close second.... close.....

A great ladies cartridge :D

280_ACKLEY
 
Very true statment in my mind!

1899 wrote:
But, one of the greatest deer/antelope cartridges, IMHO, is the all too often forgotten .250 Savage. I think it is just about perfect.
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X3 :D

My suggestion is 250s but the new 260 is looking good to :D
 
senior said:
Very true statment in my mind!

1899 wrote:
But, one of the greatest deer/antelope cartridges, IMHO, is the all too often forgotten .250 Savage. I think it is just about perfect.
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X3 :D

My suggestion is 250s but the new 260 is looking good to :D
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Since your suggesting he buys a 250 Savage, who's chambering them these days?
 
the 7-08 is a pretty nice little cartridge, but for the varmint end of the spectrum it doesn't perform quite like the 260 can. Ballistic CoEfficients on the 100 gr. 7mm pills is pretty low compared to 95-100 gr. in 6.5mm. By the time they both reach 300 yards, the 260 w/ a 95 gr. is going 200 fps faster than the 100 gr. 7mm

You'd be hard pressed to find the 7-08 having a real world advantage over the 260 Rem for deer.
 
Very good plan to start your daughter(or anyone for that matter) with a mild, accurate cartridge. Of the two you mention, I'd go for the 260. Both would be good for your purposes but I've always found the 6.5mm caliber to be very accurate. Also the ability load a heavier bullet with the 260 might work a bit better for long range or if the deer happens at a bad angle. Under the right conditions and with a good 140grain bullet/load, I would'nt really think twice about going moose hunting with a 260.
 
Brambles said:
A nice light mountain rifle in 25-06, its an ideal antelope and deer cartridge and makes a dandy coyote gun as well.

Here's one :D
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/viewtopic.php?t=99147
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That's as may be, Brambles, but it also is very loud and does have a decent amount of recoil with standard loads.
Loaded down to the .257 Roberts or 250 Savage specs it'd be more appropriate for a younger hunter, at least when using 120gn bullets, but that kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think?
 
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