Calling all resident BC hunters ..

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This is going to be a long read and likely pretty dry so if you don’t have the time right now to give it some serious attention, please read it later when you do. Grab a cup of coffee, sit down and check out what the Ministry of Environment says is reflective of resident B.C. hunter’s interests. Some of the proposed policies and procedures created or “tweaked”, and their 5 year implementation plans, don’t sound to be in my best interest as a local hunter and after discussing the changes with some friends and colleagues, we are raising the following issues.

First a little background as to why these changes are coming.

Mr. Tom Ethier (Assistant Director, Fish & Wildlife Branch) formed a B.C. Wildlife Harvest Allocation Review “Task Group” to create a new harvest allocation policy, procedure, and implementation plan. This group included Wilf Pfleiderer (BC Wildlife Federation), Dale Drown (Guide Outfitters Association of BC), and Dave Hatler (BC Trappers Association).

Nancy Wilkin (the Assistant Deputy Minister of the Environmental Stewardship Division), is prepared to implement the resulting policies and procedures in time for the 2007 hunting season. In my opinion these changes are being rushed into place in hopes the Holiday Season will provide enough of a distraction that we won’t notice or we’ll be too busy to get involved.

Mr. Tom Ethier says the M.O.E. needed these changes to create a consistent and transparent approach for making allocation decisions across the Province, and that they are reflective of resident B.C. hunters’ interests. Well … you decide.

With regards to the Ministry’s procedure for Harvest Allocation;
Step 1 Apply Initial Allocation.
The Director should assign an initial allocation of 75% of the allowable harvest to resident hunters and 25% to guide outfitters for each category A species in each region.
An initial allocation split of 75%/25% is way to high in favor of the guide outfitters. It has a net result of awarding approximately 28,500 Residents the same allocation as 6400 Non-Residents. This hardly constitutes Resident Priority. To even achieve parity a 93%/7% split would be required.
Step 2 – A; Determine Relative Importance to Resident Hunters
This entire procedure is predicated on all Category A species being on LEH. This does not give a true picture of resident demand. First of all, not all species are on LEH in all areas. Second, many residents have given up on the LEH system and do not participate in the system. (A Category A species is any species that Guides are on Quota in any area in a Region)

From the Ministry’s policy on Resident Hunter Priority, item 2 reads;
providing residents with a minimum share of 98% for antlerless category A species and 50% for all other category A species.
Ok in the first part but 50% to me isn’t a clear majority of the AAH (Annual Allowable Harvest), which is what the resident hunter is supposed to be guaranteed. At the very least 60% should always be awarded to the resident hunter. For your info, our AAH is what is left AFTER the “legal rights of First Nations have been recognized and addressed”, and it is split between the resident and commercial hunter.

From the Ministry’s Commercial Hunting Interests policy statement;
Point 2 regarding the Ministry addressing the commercial interests of the Guide Outfitters reads;
providing predictable, fair shares of the allocations of category A species in tenured areas;
There is no provision that resident hunters should have a predictable harvest share, why should non-resident (Guided) hunters have this provision?
Point 3 – C reads;
“The creation and maintenance of a regulatory framework that maximizes non-resident hunting success, enjoyment, and participation.”
Now, as we have the exact same thing in the Resident Hunter Priority policy, I would like assurances that resident hunters interests will prevail in any cases of conflict between resident hunters and non-resident hunters where both sides are claiming an issue.

From the Ministry’s policy on Allocation of Previously Unopened Hunts, item 1 reads;
That the allowable harvest of previously unopened hunts on category A species be allocated 75% to resident hunters and 25% to guide outfitters for the duration of the first allocation period. (an allocation period = 5 years).
As the resident hunter is always supposed to enjoy a clear majority of the AAH, I feel an 80/20 split would be more reflective of that. The guides automatically get ¼ of the harvest?? Why? The non-resident hunter is not loosing anything here as they have never had access to this population so 20% is still 20% more than what they had!

With regards to the Ministry’s policy on Under-Harvest of Allocated Share, the policy states;
If either hunter group under-harvests a category A species regionally for three consecutive years, the Regional Manager will provide a report to the Director that reviews the regulations and/or license conditions relating to the particular species.
Although this is a positive for Resident Hunters, there are two problems with what the Ministry is presently proposing. First MOE is talking about this process being triggered at a 40% under-harvest and second there is no mandatory provision that the Regional Manager makes the recommended changes. An under-harvest of 25% or more over a three-year period should trigger the process and the results must be implemented.

With regards to the Ministry’s process by which Administrative Guidelines are to be applied to Guide Outfitter quotas;
This is a very difficult section to explain so I have gotten a lot of help here to try and get across the issue. Administrative Guidelines are a way that Commercial Sector is allowed to exceed “Quota” for a single year. There is no rational for applying Administrative Guidelines to whole number quotas. Applying Administrative Guidelines to small quotas may be justified however it is totally unnecessary with large quotas. Furthermore, Administrative Guidelines will be used to exceed “quotas” on years of relative abundance. As there is no similar provision for resident hunters, this will inevitably result in resident hunters not being able to consistently achieve their proportion of the AAH.

These policies and other provisions will result in the slow transfer of allocation from Residents to the commercial sector. As the resource is public and under constant demand, I can not see the owners, British Columbia Residents, being willing to engage in this wholesale transfer to private interests.

Residents provide by far the largest portion (8.8 of the 9.43 million) dollars in gross government revenues from wildlife harvest. This combined with the possibility of 85 – 100 thousand voters upset with this change in government policy makes me wonder at just how much lobbing power the commercial hunting sector has.

Now if you disagree with where the Ministry is heading with these new policies and procedures, make some phone calls if you can. Your M.L.A should feel some heat, get him checking into this. Generate some noise. The Honorable Barry Penner (Minister of Environment) has the power to stop this with a phone call, try and get his attention. You can send letters but this time of year they will almost certainly arrive to late. This is going into effect January 1,2007. I am more than happy to pass along the documents that I have been looking at and have quoted here, most are in the Adobe PDF format. Send me a Private Message with your E-Mail address.
 
I didn't know the exact nuts and bolts details, but I've been trying to raise a fuss on Huntshoot and HuntingBC about this, but guys would rather argue about whether one particular guy is a braggart or not or the relative merits of the 270 vs the 30-06 for the 17 zillionth time.

I don't understand how guys can be so passionate about hunting and then ignore a deliberate move to reduce their access.

Some guys have told me they have taken it up and written letters, but overall, to be honest, I am shocked and disappointed in the apathy.
 
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Re-allocation of Game Resources

... Possibly one of the underlying factors is the steady decline in the number of Hunters, and therefore licenses "issued" being used as a means to justify (rationalize?) resource's being allocated to the Guiding Community/Businesses. From a purely personal perspective, I don't hold a hunting license (therefore no hunter #) even though I held hunting licenses and tags years ago, and now to obtain a license, I'd have to either challenge the test or go through the hoops of the CORE program. I'm sure there are a number of former hunters, who now they are retired, as I am, would have the time to hunt, and don't feel inclined to spend the money to get a number, or to go through the "hoops" .... and then there's the need to raise young hunters and shooters, to carry on the sport, otherwise the hunting and shooting sports will fade from the Canadian scene forever! If hunting is to survive for the individual, major reforms are needed, and that requires the Governments, both Provincial and Federal, to realize that it's in "their" best interests to be responsive to the Hunting Community ! David K.:(
 
Guide Allocations

Hi MD,I have Emailed Barry Penner,the Premier,theMOE indviduals in charge of this program,and Emailed and phoned my MLA.All I have received in return is the usual platitudes!I am now going to phone my MLA and inform him that I will be dicussing this policy with a Member of the Official Oppositinn,and organizing hunters to express our unhappiness with these allocation numbers.Mur
 
Good going Mur. I wish many others were as responsible.

I have contacted my MLA, the premier, Nancy Wilkin and others too, with barely a response.

I am particularly cheesed off at my MLA becasue I have mentioned this issue to him before and he seems to be ignoring me.
 
MD, I have been actively investigating this dilema at least in regards to allocations and non allocated areas. It seems like the non allocated areas are gonna be dead in the water cause of first nation land claims anyway, which is primarily reponsible for territories in the Chilcotin sitting for sale at resonable prices for a long time because of the risk of loosing investment. It is a very complicated matter and yes I don't trust the powers that be either but..... The other thing to consider is that Residents are not making the alloted qoutas for many reasons but if your residents are undependable the Guide will be soooo????? Lotsa tags going uncut because folks are hoarding rather than hunting. Imagine drawing Atlin Dall sheep tag and not even bothering to drive up there. Residents ain't ponying up to a pretty Damn good opportunity.Thats the whole problem with LEH's to begin with. You put in for them because you can and probably won't win and if you win then you ain't prepared and how could you really be prepared for a Atlin sheep hunt when you live in POCO? and wiegh 300 pounds? But it's your right.. Lotsa other thing get in the way to a succesful hunt like:Kids,wives,finances on and on and on.
Do you know how many of those region 5 doe tags go uncut? Residents want the moon but.....
Frankly I'd like to see them open up the allocations and take away the technology Planes,quads,trucks, sleds,radios, Telemetry and shut down the roads to hunting but residents are gonna scream foul.
Just some thoughts. Andy
 
Shut down the roads????????? In NE B.C all the roads to Sheep and goats are closed. I have been asking quietlly for years about how many horses and preseason motor vehicle hours go into supporting a non resident hunter it is no wonder we residents can't get with in 3 days walk of decent sheep habitat! Some rich texan can have 12 horses bring him to a sheep spike camp but I can't use a friggin Lama to pack out meat!

As far as victoria is concerned resident hunters are only good for keeping ungulates from impacting too heavily on silviculture and road transport.

The regulations should be designed to put a full freezer in every home and allow for reasonable recreation in the high country. They are'nt.
 
MD - Great post. Here's a chuckle for you , I have a sign on my office door that reads "I am neither for nor against apathy."

David K - Hunter decline is indeed an issue, a huge issue. We need to grow our numbers by enticing more people to hunt. Start by removing unneeded restrictions, read David Doyle's post, can you imagine the smiles on the locals faces up there if suddenly they could access those Sheep and Goats? And why shouldn't they be able to? We need to remove the barriers the resident hunters face, address the reasons they aren't going out, not give more quotas to the Guides and Outfitters because they will punch those tags. Things like road restrictions when you're already on LEH seem to beat the enthusiasm right out of ya. Oh, and the CORE aint so bad, challenge the test, they have removed a lot of the "bird" questions that were killing people's scores.

Mur - What can we say but Thank-You and way to go, no apathy there.

Salty - I'll do ya one better, PM with your E-Mail address and I'll not only send you the current "status quo", but what the proposal is for the next allocation period (5 years).

HORSHUR - I would make the same point as I did with David K, address the issues that are causing hunter decline and breath some life back into hunting. Have doe draws for juniors and seniors where populations can easily support it, make it easy for them to get some meat in the freezer.

david doyle - Great post, bang on point.
 
It's easy to increase hunter numbers, Just have more kids, stay married and take them hunting. It really is that easy. On a side note, if you kept them out of daycare,aftercare,kindergarten and maybe even homeschooled them you would up your odds substantialy. Not working your whole life away would help too.
Making hunters is easy, pulling them out of a hat isn't.
 
Does anyone have email addresses which would be good to contact?

Also like most long winded things the reader tends to drift off if indeed he even reads any thing over 3 lines.

Perhaps the more informed and better letter writers could provide a template which would get our point across quickly and clearly?

thanks,

KTK
 
blacktailslayer said:
Where the heck is the BCWF on this?

Been workign on the Allocation system for a long time, and are not happy with the proposed changes, and continuing to try to change them.

They can use all the help they can get, and individual letters WILL help!!

If there is a timing problem, perhaps faxing woudl be a good idea. Gets thhere fast and has almost the same value as a written letter.
 
Resident Hunters in BC becoming and "Endangered species"

.... My local Fish and Game Club, is actively supporting the BCWF on this issue, and it was discussed at the last meeting. Unless the number of "Resident Hunters" increases, and without vocal opposition, this whole issue will just become a "done deal" ..... The Guiding Industry has lobbied ,and produced "experts" and "studies" to support their position, and they've been willing to spend the money to support their business interests. Currently, I firmly believe that the BCWF is the only effective lobby group that local hunters have, and through local Fish and Game Clubs, even if one is neither a hunter or fisherman, to ensure a future for our children in the outdoors, and the shear pleasure of "roaming " the outdoors, more support is needed ! Join your local 'Club, attend meetings and be aware of pending changes ! .... David K.
 
Here's a copy of a letter sent to the Okanagan Newspapers, it was in the Kelowna Courier on the editorial with no changes except to shorten the title. A great letter.

British Columbia’s Wildlife resources go to Highest Bidder and that is not Residents
For the past 2 years the BC Wildlife Federation’s Allocations committee has been working with the ministry of Environment on a new Allocation Policy. We have made several submissions to government especially regarding Resident Priority and our right to hunt in our own province.
With many Game Animals on restricted Limited Entry Hunt status and other restrictions such as harvesting only 4 Point antlered deer and 2 point antlered moose and difficult access to0 hunting areas, it has become imperative that we have some measure of priority when it comes to hunting in our own province.
Limited Entry Hunting means that to hunt an animal such as mature Moose in the Okanagan we must go through a yearly lottery where the average odds of being successful in 2005 were 17.4/1. Combined with this the successful applicants have less than a 50% chance of harvesting the animal they have a one month harvesting permit for. As a result if you were one of the 3300 applicants who applied every year for 190 permits your chance of harvesting a mature Bull Moose in the Okanagan is once in 35 years.
If you started hunting when you were 15 in 2006 and applied every year you would shoot your first mature moose in 2040 at the age of 50, and your second moose would be harvested in 2075 at the age of 84 if you were still alive. In the meanwhile non-residents have historically been given 20% of the Okanagan Mature Moose Harvest. They have over the past 10 years only harvested 5% to 6% which left 15% available to no one. The new policy cuts them back to 15% for 5 years and then there is a review. During that 5 years 100 BC residents loose opportunity hunt for and harvest 50 Moose. With the opportunity to harvest a mature moose only once in 34 years in the Okanagan this loss is significant.
First Nations, Non-residents and poachers can harvest a moose in the Okanagan every year. The 35 years that a resident has to wait is just too long. Resident priority means that when 17.4/1 odds can be reduced they must be reduced. It is no hardship to anyone to let the residents have the extra 10 Moose each year. This example is a local one but the story is the same throughout the province.
We pay the taxes that keep this province going not non-residents. We need a guarantee that Residents of BC will have Priority in our own Province and it must show on the ground where we hunt with more opportunity. The provincial government has a starting point of giving non-residents 25% of all big game in the province which is reflected in the new proposed policy giving non residents an average of 25.7% of all allocated Big Game hunts in BC. This means that 5000 non-residents who come as tourists and must pay for an expensive guide service have the same hunting opportunity as over 25000 residents. We need a policy that gives residents the priority they deserve, this is after all a British Columbia resource.
Al Springer
BC Wildlife Federation Okanagan Region
Wildlife Allocations Committee
6087 Turner Ave Peachland BC V0H1X4
 
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