If this is a lever gun, and I am pretty certain it is, that will not work.
Can 454 casull brass be trimmed to function as 45 colt?
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If this is a lever gun, and I am pretty certain it is, that will not work.
Then it seems like it would be legal to use a 454 casul in any rifle, as long as it's trimmed to more than 32mm. 45LC is trimmed to 32.5mm, so you would be ok, legally speaking. In a real court though, it would be very debatable whether your ammo is a 454 that's been trimmed too much or it's a 45colt made from a 454 casul. In practice the charges would probably be dropped, it's too complicated a case unless you're a known poacher and they got nothing else on you. Especially if you can prove that your ammos reaches a pressure higher than the max pressure for 45colt.
The CO might still want to charge you if he sees your rifle is stamped 45LC. I'd bring a printout of the reg and a caliper for my hunt if I were you.
The regs are completely whack. Naming cartridges is a bad idea. Anyone could wildcat something to go around. If anyone comes up with 356magnum, it would be legal while 357 wouldn't be. You really got stuffed by that reg
Then it seems like it would be legal to use a 454 casul in any rifle, as long as it's trimmed to more than 32mm. 45LC is trimmed to 32.5mm, so you would be ok, legally speaking. In a real court though, it would be very debatable whether your ammo is a 454 that's been trimmed too much or it's a 45colt made from a 454 casul. In practice the charges would probably be dropped, it's too complicated a case unless you're a known poacher and they got nothing else on you. Especially if you can prove that your ammos reaches a pressure higher than the max pressure for 45colt.
The CO might still want to charge you if he sees your rifle is stamped 45LC. I'd bring a printout of the reg and a caliper for my hunt if I were you.
The regs are completely whack. Naming cartridges is a bad idea. Anyone could wildcat something to go around. If anyone comes up with 356magnum, it would be legal while 357 wouldn't be. You really got stuffed by that reg
What’s really stupid is we no longer can use great rounds like the 45 LC or 357, but a 204 ruger is legal for moose and elk.
Wow - so much poor advice to someone trying to fool an enforcement official. An anonymous on-line forum is not the place to get free advice from arm-chair lawyers, none of whom will be there with you to help pay your fine, or reimburse you for a confiscated firearm.
That part I don't care about (fools deserve their "Fool's Gold"), it's all of the impressionable minds that will carry this weak attempt at exploiting what they think is a loop-hole in other areas and really get into trouble.
That part I don't care about (fools deserve their "Fool's Gold"), it's all of the impressionable minds that will carry this weak attempt at exploiting what they think is a loop-hole in other areas and really get into trouble.
a 22-250 is legal for moose and elk now. CO's say they weren't consulted on these changes... whoever wrote this stuff up shouldn't hold the job that they hold. Someone wrote it, made it look smart, and got the minister in charge to rubber stamp it.
coleman1495
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Is that because it will not cycle due to increased cartridge length? I hadn't thought of that.
If it doesn't cycle, I trim it... I will headspace it to my barrel to trim as little of it as I can... it will cycle from the magazine, that much I do already know. Even though 45 Colt OAL is 1.600", OAL of a 45 colt with an FTX bullet is 1.700" and I have shot & cycled those just fine already in my rifle (AKA Hornady Leverevolution ammo). OAL of a 454 Casull is 1.700". It will cycle from tubular magazine to the bolt... just whether it's too long to chamber is to be determined. I ordered some 454 brass and will find out when it arrives.
pointandshoot
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Lots of information on reaming a 45 to a 454 with a quick Google search if it won't chamber the 454 brass already. Looks as if it's a fairly basic diy project and headspace shouldn't be an issue since it's rimmed. The few pages I clicked on guys had it done in under 10mins and the only tools needed is the reamer, tap handle, and cutting oil. Do your own research tho, I am neither a gunsmith or machinist but going this way vs trimming brass may be the better approach to keeping yourself out of any hot water.
Or of coarse you could also see what a Smith would charge to ream it also. It seems most of what I read was from guys in the states with more options of renting reamers therefore keeping the cost down.
Or of coarse you could also see what a Smith would charge to ream it also. It seems most of what I read was from guys in the states with more options of renting reamers therefore keeping the cost down.
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This would work, assuming the rifle is capable of handling 454 Casull pressures, which is about 60,000 psi. Not all lever rifles will be ok with that.
My rifle was chamber reamed .015" and stamped as 454 cassul. It cycles and shoots perfectly. The feed ramp required no modifications. I am now legal to use it for my whitetail tag. I was advised to carry a receipt since the barrel also still reads 45 colt so that any CO can know it was all converted over. So, I now own a 454 colt lol
