Can a fiscally challenged man compete?

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I say yes!

So I recently purchased a Savage 10T-SR, and a few other items to have a go at an upcoming LR event, and maybe shoot a PRS Match, or two. Since I didn't win the lottery, you might say this is an exercise in Max Performance for the $$$.

I started with the Rifle, price range I was considering was $500-$800...pretty slim pickings if your goal is a heavy barrel bolt action repeater with a useful detachable magazine. As usual there's always a catch, in my case the catch is too much abuse on my body from my first profession. Multiple injuries mean nothing larger than 6.5mm, and even a 140 gr projectile is likely going to give my shoulder a bad time. I settled on 6mm Creedmoor, not exactly a dollar friendly cartridge when it comes to barrel life, but Match projectiles are relatively cheap, and let's face it the performance is pretty spectacular, at least that's been my experience to date! Finding a Rifle turned out to be pretty simple, a nice tidy sale price on a Rifle (and an Army buddy living near the store), resulted in a impulse road trip to the Nation's Capital (well almost). I left the store with a Savage 10T-SR, and a few other goodies.

If you are unfamiliar with the Rifle, it's a Savage model 10 action (bottom bolt release), 26" 1 in 8 twist barrel, 20 MOA rail, and a detachable staggered feed magazine. After one range session I concluded that my 2.5-10X44 just wasn't going to cut it, $200, free shipping, and a good return policy made taking the risk on the Covenant 4-16X44 sfp not living up to the hype easy. Since the magazine capacity isn't suitable for PRS I added a ten round Savage magazine. Brass (Starline srp), dies (Lee), and assorted gear/foam/elastic bandage laying about finished the package. Finally I got a SureFire ProComp, the price was right, and I wasn't yet sure if the first brake I bought had a "generous" bore, or my 5/8" is stunted. Hahaha, the SureFire screwed right on, didn't even need a washer, timed perfectly. What's funny about that is I got the ProComp, because SFRC had this slick shim kit, and one of their weekend sales. No shim required...it's not all roses though, they call it a Comp for a reason, regardless, does exactly what its supposed to do. A little more recoil reduction would be nice, and more is inbound. Along with a Forester BR Seater.

What's it been like? Well it's not as nose heavy as I first thought, but I still intend to put a bit of weight in the back, just not until I settle on a few other things first, it's still a work in progress after all. Its precision leaves me giggling every time I take it to the range. I'd have to go through my targets to be sure, but I don't think I've shot one five shot group over 2". Well over half MOA, or under, and I'm still working on the upper node. I've had a few challenges with my reduced loads that turned out to be my small rifle primer pockets. It took a few attempts to realize small rifle primers weren't going to do the job (should have known better), I had 20 pcs. of Hdy 6mm CM and a handful of 6.5 CM with large rifle pockets, enough to work up a load, problem solved, followed by more giggling.

What's with all the giggiling? Beside being half mad, I've never had such an easy time working up a load. Most five shot groups were MOA or better. A nice gentle 105 gr Hornady BTHP/36.6 gr H4350 load gives me an average of 2704 fps at this point. I had a few hangfires with CCI BR4 primers, but switching to Fed 205M seems to have put a halt to that. The best group I've fired was using the BR4's and this rifle, was under 0.5", two days later, and 205M's, about 0.333". My reduced loads are looking very promising as well. 75 gr V-Max/32.5 gr H4895 just over 0.5", and 33.5 a hair smaller.

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Thanks to Jerry aka Mystic Precision for being a good guy with sound advice and giving me a nice deal on Projectiles, some gear, and producing a 1/2 dozen invoices for two orders.
 
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There's never been a better time to start into precision rifles on a budget. The options have exploded the last few years. There's some semi-custom $2k rifles that will shoot every bit as good as a $5k custom. You don't need a lot of money to have a shooter or compete in this game.

Sounds like you are on the right track. No matter what you gave, get out and shoot a match! I've seen people with Mausers and other old bolt actions with blind magazines compete in PRS matches. I have much more respect for them, then those with nicer rifles but won't compete as they have perpetual excuses like "I don't have a load developed yet" - yet they've been developing a load for 2+ years.

Lots of great options for shooters in the budget area these days - more than some may want you to believe.

Now get out and shoot some matches - that's where you will really learn.
 
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Looks like you've got a good setup going. I would, however, suggest looking for a (way) higher node for those 105s. In a 26" 8tw barrel you should have no problem hitting 3200 fps (I've run 110 SMKs at 3150 with no pressure signs). I wouldn't suggest running them that fast but you should be able to find a good node around 3000 or so fps. 300fps makes a hell of a difference once you start reaching out there. Most guys run 140s in a 6.5 in the mid to high 2700s.

Once you've got a good load dialled, get off your belly and shoot positional and barricade stuff as much as you can. Good luck in your endeavour!
 
Now get out and shoot some matches - that's where you will really learn.

I think I'm just going to go and observe for the first Match in Petawawa this season, probably end up helping. If I can get up there next week and get my HBAR sorted out I'll be good to go for the second match of the season.

Looks like you've got a good setup going. I would, however, suggest looking for a (way) higher node for those 105s. In a 26" 8tw barrel you should have no problem hitting 3200 fps (I've run 110 SMKs at 3150 with no pressure signs). I wouldn't suggest running them that fast but you should be able to find a good node around 3000 or so fps.

Once you've got a good load dialled, get off your belly and shoot positional and barricade stuff as much as you can. Good luck in your endeavour!

There's some prepped cases sitting in my block ready for 39.9 gr - 41.1 gr. That should be good for around 2950 fps. Another thing that's been amusing me is point of aim hasn't shifted much. Makes the light loads so much more attractive for practice.

Regarding practice, can you, or anyone else give some suggestions for props to practice off of, perhaps a folding step stool, saw horse etc.. That, or some video's of matches that don't have guys being interviewed after every stage...
 
I think I'm just going to go and observe for the first Match in Petawawa this season, probably end up helping. If I can get up there next week and get my HBAR sorted out I'll be good to go for the second match of the season.



There's some prepped cases sitting in my block ready for 39.9 gr - 41.1 gr. That should be good for around 2950 fps. Another thing that's been amusing me is point of aim hasn't shifted much. Makes the light loads so much more attractive for practice.

Regarding practice, can you, or anyone else give some suggestions for props to practice off of, perhaps a folding step stool, saw horse etc.. That, or some video's of matches that don't have guys being interviewed after every stage...

If you go to a match, shoot it, even if you don't think you're "ready", you'll learn tons and have an idea where to focus your practice.

I'd suggest working up to 42 gr or even higher. My loads with 110 SMKs have all been between 42.2-42.9 gr H4350 and that's keeping speed around 3050-3080. You should easily get over 3000 fps.

For barricades, if you feel like building a prop, look up the "standard" PRS Barricade in the rules and build something similar or a tank trap. As far as household items go, a stepladder (preferably 6') is the way to go. Just practice shooting off all the different rungs so you'll go from standing all the way down to seated. You'll also get used to getting your rifle into and out of tight spots going from rung to rung. You can pretty much shoot off anything though. The end goal is to be able to look at a prop or obstacle and know how to quickly build a stable position to suit.
 
Great little thread. I am in the same boat with respect to fiscally challenged. Not to hijack the thread but this has been an interesting read. I have a Swedish Mauser that I was weighing against getting a set up like yours. I will probably hem and haw for a bit about using the $$ for a better scope and more practice but there is always a siren call to a new set up like yours.

I will keep an eye on this thread. Best of luck.
 
On youtube, look up 6.5guys. They have some great vids on setting up portable barricades. once you see what you need to do, very simple to create from a bit of lumber/plywood.

don't be shy to use chairs, ladders, tables, the ground, poles... whatever. Also, practise unsupported positions like offhand, kneeling, sitting and prone (off elbows).

There are no end in props you might face in a match so the more diversity you put into your practise, the better.

Stretching and flexibility will also be good things to do.

Enjoy and glad I was able to help you along.

Jerry
 
Honestly who cares what people think ? We wouldn't be having this conversation if some couldn't afford the expensive cool guy rifles/scopes/etc.

If your rifle shoot at least consistent MOA then go for it. Of course competition is about bettering yourself but who cares if you come in dead last. I bet you learn a few things, meet and get to hang out with some good guys, and I bet you have fun doing it.

The key to getting better at anything really is #1. doing it, #2. listen/watch & learn, #3. be very honest with yourself about what you're not good at and need to improve but also be very honest with yourself about what you're actually good at.
It shouldn't always be about beating yourself up, be proud of what you have down well even if it's only one tiny part of the skill set. Build on that.

Have fun doing it man.
 
Just over a month into my endeavor, and as to be expected, some good, some bad. The good, I've had no trouble finding several good loads with my projectile of choice. The slow one requires Large Rifle Primers for reliable ignition, the fast (right around 3000 fps according to my Crony) has been 3/4-1/2 MOA with both CCI 450's and Fed 205M. I pierced a 205M, not sure why, no other pressure signs, and not even close to hot (shrug). I'm still not done messing around with my business load, still going to adjust seating depth a bit, but it's pretty much ready to go.

The Bad, ejection/extraction, trigger, stock. The ejection is the one thing I need to address, it is not reliable, period. The trigger is a Savage Accutrigger after all, the whole safety tab and the grief it can cause is pretty well known. I was all fired up to replace the Stock, until I looked at the current exchange rate, I think it's going to be a Chassis instead, but that isn't going to happen for at least 6 months.

Regarding the stock, it's not a wet noodle, but it's lacking in several ways. The grip angle doesn't work for me, the front has too much flex in spite of the aluminum ending at the front sling swivel, and the "bedding block" only contacts the receiver at the recoil lug and two very thin strips. I think I fixed the forestock flex last night with a butchered carbon fiber arrow shaft, and some epoxy. I'm also thinking of bedding the action in the stock, I'm also going to change the grip angle.

I have to get some kind of cheek riser, my foam/vet wrap version works, but it looks like there are some reasonably priced alternatives that won't gradually slide forward.

I suppose I'll get a Timney, or Rifle Basix trigger, but for the moment I'm just going to "fiddle" with what I got. I expect that may get the Nanny Squad a little anxious, but I'm going to experiment a bit. My only real concern is if I show up to shoot and someone notices it's a modified factory trigger...will that result in a DQ?

*Edit* Anyone know where I can get a .140" ball, no ball bearings available from any local Store. Is anyone familiar with Sharp Shooters Supply's Improved Extractor Kit? Is there any others?
 
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Just over a month into my endeavor, and as to be expected, some good, some bad. The good, I've had no trouble finding several good loads with my projectile of choice. The slow one requires Large Rifle Primers for reliable ignition, the fast (right around 3000 fps according to my Crony) has been 3/4-1/2 MOA with both CCI 450's and Fed 205M. I pierced a 205M, not sure why, no other pressure signs, and not even close to hot (shrug). I'm still not done messing around with my business load, still going to adjust seating depth a bit, but it's pretty much ready to go.

The Bad, ejection/extraction, trigger, stock. The ejection is the one thing I need to address, it is not reliable, period. The trigger is a Savage Accutrigger after all, the whole safety tab and the grief it can cause is pretty well known. I was all fired up to replace the Stock, until I looked at the current exchange rate, I think it's going to be a Chassis instead, but that isn't going to happen for at least 6 months.

Regarding the stock, it's not a wet noodle, but it's lacking in several ways. The grip angle doesn't work for me, the front has too much flex in spite of the aluminum ending at the front sling swivel, and the "bedding block" only contacts the receiver at the recoil lug and two very thin strips. I think I fixed the forestock flex last night with a butchered carbon fiber arrow shaft, and some epoxy. I'm also thinking of bedding the action in the stock, I'm also going to change the grip angle.

I have to get some kind of cheek riser, my foam/vet wrap version works, but it looks like there are some reasonably priced alternatives that won't gradually slide forward.

I suppose I'll get a Timney, or Rifle Basix trigger, but for the moment I'm just going to "fiddle" with what I got. I expect that may get the Nanny Squad a little anxious, but I'm going to experiment a bit. My only real concern is if I show up to shoot and someone notices it's a modified factory trigger...will that result in a DQ?

*Edit* Anyone know where I can get a .140" ball, no ball bearings available from any local Store. Is anyone familiar with Sharp Shooters Supply's Improved Extractor Kit? Is there any others?

Yep, sketchy extraction has plagued the Savage bolt head for a long time. The larger ball and new ejector spring should help.

The Accutrigger actually is very good practise for proper finger position and pull. There is nothing "wrong" with the design and it works great IF you are handling the trigger shoe properly... but there are options to replace.

If you are blowing primers, the pressures are too hot for that rifle... regardless of what the internet says.

The factory stock certainly is not the best for ergonomics but if you can physically flex that stock while shooting, do consider changing how you handle the rifle. You really don't need to put that much load in any position to flex an Accustock.

Focus on accuracy not speed.... your scores will improve.

Good luck.

Jerry
 
Looking for info on PRS shooting. Is there a website that gives info on rules and where matches are held across the country etc? I don't do Facebook so an actual website is what I need to find.
 
Well reading this thread was like reading latin lol
If I go out and buy a rifle today how/where would I even start to gain basic knowledge?
 
Well reading this thread was like reading latin lol
If I go out and buy a rifle today how/where would I even start to gain basic knowledge?

Sign up on Snipers Hide for their online training and practice. Book a training class with Call Sign 66 - they are based out of AB, and at this time the only training group in your relative area that I'd recommend. Shoot matches to expose your weaknesses and work on those. Wash, rinse, repeat.

That would be a really good start.
 
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