Can a store keep my fully transferred handgun from me

[rmsg0040]

Knowing your rights is very important and is lacking in the firearms community whether online or at gun clubs.

Assuming you paid by CC, I wonder if contacting the CC would be a good idea? You bought goods from a retailer and they didn't deliver.

 

[nowarningshot]

A thread worthy of the old Marstar---John.

I have been dealing with auctions for years. Stories I could tell about shipping alone.

 

[Suther]

According to the CFO agent and business CFO agent I had conversations with yesterday once they have transferred the handgun into my name it is legally registered to me and I would have to agree if the wanted to reverse it. Even if Tenda were to try to cancel the sale and refund the money the handgun would still be legally registered to me and require me to approve a transfer which I will not do.

The issue is they were using the threat of reversing the sale and reselling my handgun unless I gave them more money. Now that I have confirmed they cannot do that and were straight up lying and threatening an action they cannot do. They thought they could threaten me and I would just get down on my knees and just accept their demands which is what really pissed me off, this is not the first time they have done stupid stuff like this to me and judging by how many people have figured it was Tenda long before I mentioned their name it is something they regularly do and it seem they are used to people just accepting their demands so I am going to hold out for the principal of the matter because I don't like to be bullied by idiots who yes one time cancelled my order of barnes 110gr reloading bullets saying they were hazardous explosive devices that cannot be shipped in Canada. That argument lasted 4 days with them eventually canceling the order saying there is no shipping to Alberta in Canada.

So I have responded to them giving them the name of the Ontario CFO I talked to and the business CFO who told me they cannot unregister my handgun as it is my legal property according to the registration and Tenda who had no problems responding multiple times already to threaten me they were going to resell my gun if I don't give them more money have not responded since so I await their response to see if they have decided to have a discussion instead of threatening me

The one thing I wonder is not whether they are ALLOWED to do reverse the transfer, but whether they physically CAN.

Has anyone sold a restricted firearm to a gun store, and if so did you have to call the CFP to get the transfer approved? I'm just thinking, if they can transfer a gun INTO my name without me calling the CFP, can they also do the reverse and transfer it OUT of my name?

Knowing your rights is very important and is lacking in the firearms community whether online or at gun clubs.

Assuming you paid by CC, I wonder if contacting the CC would be a good idea? You bought goods from a retailer and they didn't deliver.

The only thing that could lead to is getting the CC to refund the money, at which point the gun is no longer paid for. Great if the OP wanted to walk away from this whole ordeal, but a bad move if he actually wants the gun...

 

[B]

I have had a business (Wild-West) transfer a gun back without any effort from myself. It was requested so it is not the same situation but to anyone asking if they can, the answer is yes. I had no interaction with the CFO so it could have been for any reason as far as they were concerned.

 

[pirate604]

I have had a business (Wild-West) transfer a gun back without any effort from myself. It was requested so it is not the same situation but to anyone asking if they can, the answer is yes. I had no interaction with the CFO so it could have been for any reason as far as they were concerned.

I also had a gun store transfer an AR from me back to them with no interaction with the CFO on my part. There was a mix up in the order and I guess the transfered the wrong AR? This was back in the day when there web store was a call in operation. I still received a reg cert for it, still have that reg cert too.

 

[medvedqc]

So what your saying is the store can legally transfer the firearm back to themselves?

correct.

According to the CFO agent and business CFO agent I had conversations with yesterday once they have transferred the handgun into my name it is legally registered to me and I would have to agree if the wanted to reverse it. Even if Tenda were to try to cancel the sale and refund the money the handgun would still be legally registered to me and require me to approve a transfer which I will not do.

The issue is they were using the threat of reversing the sale and reselling my handgun unless I gave them more money. Now that I have confirmed they cannot do that and were straight up lying and threatening an action they cannot do. They thought they could threaten me and I would just get down on my knees and just accept their demands which is what really pissed me off, this is not the first time they have done stupid stuff like this to me and judging by how many people have figured it was Tenda long before I mentioned their name it is something they regularly do and it seem they are used to people just accepting their demands so I am going to hold out for the principal of the matter because I don't like to be bullied by idiots who yes one time cancelled my order of barnes 110gr reloading bullets saying they were hazardous explosive devices that cannot be shipped in Canada. That argument lasted 4 days with them eventually canceling the order saying there is no shipping to Alberta in Canada.

So I have responded to them giving them the name of the Ontario CFO I talked to and the business CFO who told me they cannot unregister my handgun as it is my legal property according to the registration and Tenda who had no problems responding multiple times already to threaten me they were going to resell my gun if I don't give them more money have not responded since so I await their response to see if they have decided to have a discussion instead of threatening me

you re both right and this is now the property of the transferee and what are the levers of the new owner against the store?

was an official written complaint made?, no. just a phone call: i will repeat up to the time the handgun is in your hands the store will do what they want ...

do you have a paper stating it is yours and you received the handgun,no, so far it is not yours ... cfo is not legal advice unless they write to you ...

in past we reversed transfers (when i worked for a business) for the same reason when people did not want to pay the shipping that was agreed: we reverse it and all the right to do so ...

pay what they are asking for and challenge it in small claim court.

 

[Suther]

correct.



you re both right and this is now the property of the transferee and what are the levers of the new owner against the store?

was an official written complaint made?, no. just a phone call: i will repeat up to the time the handgun is in your hands the store will do what they want ...

do you have a paper stating it is yours and you received the handgun,no, so far it is not yours ... cfo is not legal advice unless they write to you ...

in past we reversed transfers (when i worked for a business) for the same reason when people did not want to pay the shipping that was agreed: we reverse it and all the right to do so ...

pay what they are asking for and challenge it in small claim court.

He said he has a registration certificate for it. That would be pretty darn good evidence that the gun was transferred to him, and a credit card statement would be evidence he paid for it... Which I would think would mean if it gets transferred back without his consent the store could be in trouble...?

Also doesn't small claims court cost money? Like, probably more money than the store wants out of him? In BC its $100 to file a notice of claim.

 

[medvedqc]

So what your saying is the store can legally transfer the firearm back to themselves?

Knowing your rights is very important and is lacking in the firearms community whether online or at gun clubs.

Assuming you paid by CC, I wonder if contacting the CC would be a good idea? You bought goods from a retailer and they didn't deliver.

that will work better and will affect both the seller and the buyer. why the firearm was not shipped? because the buyer did not pay the whole shipping we re now asking for and then we will ship when cfo will aprrove it: which is not done yet, then cc will say not our problem ...

 

[medvedqc]

He said he has a registration certificate for it. That would be pretty darn good evidence that the gun was transferred to him, which I would think would mean if it gets transferred back without his consent the store could be in trouble...?

Also doesn't small claims court cost money? Like, probably more money than the store wants out of him? In BC its $100 to file a notice of claim.

well maybe the wording is not right: i doubt he already received the registration certificate but more the new little paper with the new certificate info ... no a trouble they can always pretend it was the wrong number and they will transfer back to stock ... the new owner did not so far made an official written complaint against the store which means he is just blowing air ...

small claim cost money but internet trial not lol ...

 

[tiriaq]

Something else to consider, from the Forum Rules and FAQ:
"Trade related disputes originating from the Equipment Exchange forums or with CGN business members (i.e., dealers) shall not be discussed in the forums. All disputes and feedbacks should be confined to the trader rating feedback system and private messaging."

 

[medvedqc]

I also had a gun store transfer an AR from me back to them with no interaction with the CFO on my part. There was a mix up in the order and I guess the transfered the wrong AR? This was back in the day when there web store was a call in operation. I still received a reg cert for it, still have that reg cert too.

I have had a business (Wild-West) transfer a gun back without any effort from myself. It was requested so it is not the same situation but to anyone asking if they can, the answer is yes. I had no interaction with the CFO so it could have been for any reason as far as they were concerned.

as i said it can be done and if i was the owner of the store i will do in that specific case ... pretty sure someone will pay what they are asking for.

 

[medvedqc]

Something else to consider, from the Forum Rules and FAQ:
"Trade related disputes originating from the Equipment Exchange forums or with CGN business members (i.e., dealers) shall not be discussed in the forums. All disputes and feedbacks should be confined to the trader rating feedback system and private messaging."

well some released the name of the cgn business member which was wrong anyway and i doubt ee will do anything but you re right.

 

[Suther]

Something else to consider, from the Forum Rules and FAQ:
"Trade related disputes originating from the Equipment Exchange forums or with CGN business members (i.e., dealers) shall not be discussed in the forums. All disputes and feedbacks should be confined to the trader rating feedback system and private messaging."

I understand having that rule in place for the EE, but for Business Members it feels like they are buying the ability to squash dissent and scrub the internet of their wrongdoings... Although, I guess that makes perfect sense in our Capitalist world where money rules all...

 

[cattabliss]

Something else to consider, from the Forum Rules and FAQ:
"Trade related disputes originating from the Equipment Exchange forums or with CGN business members (i.e., dealers) shall not be discussed in the forums. All disputes and feedbacks should be confined to the trader rating feedback system and private messaging."

An interesting area of legal discussion though, OP never named the vendor rather a very large number of users guessed the same name. I think if this rule were to be enforced on this thread there were plenty of opportunities to do that before it got so interesting!

 

[Suther]

An interesting area of legal discussion though, OP never named the vendor rather a very large number of users guessed the same name. I think if this rule were to be enforced on this thread there were plenty of opportunities to do that before it got so interesting!

Post 67 he names them...

 

[Kid Kootenay]

Myself Id pay it and leave a review, but keep in mind it can affect a business and as its kind of a minor issue Id go light on the negativity. Were all in the same boat under Trudeau's thumb and having done shipping receiving is can be really hard to get a good price. Shipping companies do all manner of BS and if you switch and go to another one there's usually a good reason for the switch you do not just uproot everything your account your discounts worked out over years all your software and weigh bills etc unless they have really messed you over changed a policy or increased the rate considerably. Also you are really limited to as to who can ship a firearm in canada even less for ammunition. They probably raised rates because of the justinflation increase cost of gas all the couriers will be raising rates . while one pistol will not break the bank but if they sold hundreds well it starts to add up real quick who do they honor the quote and who pays more? if they cover them all well they have to raise prices on other items to break even. most businesses have this clause in the order fine print because it is a common issue and as a business you have frack all say in it one day the courier sales rep stops in and with a smile tells you your rates are going up but here this cheap ballpoint pen should ease your suffering

Like I said Id pay it and put the blame in Justin not the shop or even shipping companies Trudeaus got is D__ck in all our A_s's besides the longer you argue the longer you wait without it. thats why I say be careful with the review writing when angry mistakes can be made in anger I know Im guilty of having done it just my opinion

 

[alpining]

... for Business Members it feels like they are buying the ability to squash dissent and scrub the internet of their wrongdoings... ...

It's definitely part of the package. And to be clear, it's not the entire internet they're paying to influence. Just this corner of it.

I think it's fair though, it's literally CGN's business - As long as CGN is happy with the association, they can (and should) do whatever they want with their brand. Keeping CGN users happy (to whatever degree they want) is also part of the package.

 

[alpining]

While I'm not a specific supporter of all site sponsors, I'd like to point out that for higher-volume retail operations, customer service is generally going to sound worse than it is when compared to smaller shops. It's the nature of the beast, and the internet just makes everything louder.

 

[Gindryden]

Well it all sounds problematic but perhaps a bit petty.

I mean it is shipping so it could only be a matter of less than $50 on what is probably a $1000 sale.

If it were me I would talk to them and see if you can come to some agreement on a shipping price, get the gun in your hands and use the review process to call them out on their dealings.

 

[IM_Lugger]

Stupid thread all things considering. If this was last year you'd cancel the order and buy elsewhere out of principle and maybe for less. Now this store doesn't have a single handgun in stock and would easily get $100 more if it to post it as available.