Can Am Quads,Good? Bad?

-The visco-lock which locks up the front axle is great in mud as it engages seamlessly and you don't lose momentum or concentration fiddling with a switch. In crawling situations a selectable front lock would be nicer but the visco works fine once you learn not to back out of the throttle but keep 'er spinning and let it engage. Once it engages it is a truly locked front axel.

I have seen way to much evidence to the contrary.......Sometimes its 4 sometimes its 3.
 
I guess I must have the BEST RE-Paris ever built.:rolleyes:

My 2001 Polaris Sportsman H.O Camo Ducks Unlimited with engine braking has been through 6 Moose camps and many miles.

Parts changed.

1 front tire. My fault.

1 front CV protector . My fault.

1 Front Wheel speed sensor.(speedo quit working)

Has never left me broke down and/or stuck.

Still on original belt....because YES I know how to drive a quad properly. You never work your machine hard in hi-range and you won't blow belts. Guys that are blowing belts do NOT know how to drive!

The engine braking is also a nice feature not seen on alot of machines but well worth it.

I do change the oil once a year and wash it and grease the 25 grease nipples everytime it sees mud&water.

The last time I drug a Moose out of the bush with a Honda it took 2 Honda quads balls to the wall to do it...Polaris by itself works just fine.
 
The 650 i had was a strange one kind of the black sheep you could say it would do 120 kph no mods.

The 650 CA may very well have top end up and above the Grizzly... I was more comparing the bottom end.

Personally, I need them for low-end grunt. I never see the top end where I drive. I have a sled for go-fast adrenaline fixes when required.

Speaking of which....I'm going to require said fix a little later today...:D
 
The Yamaha does also have engine braking, which comes in handy on steep slopes, even in low gear... also has switch on the fly 4 wheel drive, and 4 wheel diff lock, which I have rarely needed.

Top end, I've had mine up to 71 mph. More than enough.

The stock tires are not that great, but that's the only thing I complain about on the Yamaha.
Change the oil every season, and grease her up. That's all I do.
 
The frames on the CanAm's are vulnerable to physical damage. Bombardier really dropped the ball on this by not including skid plates as standard. The frames do not break due to inherent weakness. They break after being holed and dented by impacts with rocks. They are aluminum and well designed and light but they can't take impact at all. If they don't get damaged they are very strong.

The addition of the 'optional' skid plate or the excellent aftermarket set by Ricochet make the bike nearly undamagable by bottom impacts.

Regarding the plugs: I didn't find mine hard to get at?

For a fellow that acts like he know so much about Bomby's I find it strange that when I repaired two 400 Outlander Broken Spars I used 3/32" 7018 welding rod! That would be steel! I've welded a lot of years but never been able to stick steel to Aluminum as you say they are :cool:
And yes the Spars did break from inherent weekness. I bought one of the 1st aftermarket skiplates by Perfex in 04 & my Spar didn't break till 1 1/2yrs latter. Bomb added triangular braces to cure? the problem in 06? But for all the owners that had broken Spars the best they would do after much negotiating was provide a new bare Spar for free, the stipulation was it had to be installed by a Bomb dealer at owners expence, my quote was $2,200. to do the switch:cool:
Far as I'm concerned the only thing Bomb has over any competion is speed, if that's what you want in a Utility bike go for it.
 
For a fellow that acts like he know so much about Bomby's I find it strange that when I repaired two 400 Outlander Broken Spars I used 3/32" 7018 welding rod! That would be steel! I've welded a lot of years but never been able to stick steel to Aluminum as you say they are :cool:

Yes, that would be quite a trick. I was thinking of the frame style in the 800 which I thought was aluminum but is more likely thin steel now that you mention it.

I think I got my wires crossed while thinking about the skidplates which are aluminum.

Regardless, it's thin metal that depends on it's shape for strength.

I'm no expert on Bomby's, I just can't believe after driving them all why anyone could stand to drive anything else but a Bomby....
 
As far as suspension goes, choose carefully! A buddy of mine has a Honda - and I like all honda products - but he can't ride with us all day because of the straight axel. He is beat up at the end of a ride, and it's not like we are young guns flying around.

Great advice.

I have a Grizzly and I bought a Big Bear for my sons. After a full day of driving my son would have less energy left than me because of that straight axle. He played high school volleyball and basketball, placed top ten at provincial cross country for his age. But after a day on the straight axle, he couldn't keep up with his out of shape old man.
 
wow..not much said on Arctic Cat..I have a 500, and it works some slick, never had a problem, high clearance, pulls moose like crazy, comfortable and lots of power..
 
wow..not much said on Arctic Cat..I have a 500, and it works some slick, never had a problem, high clearance, pulls moose like crazy, comfortable and lots of power..

I'll throw a second out there for the AC 500, Rico. I've got an '05 AC 500 auto and love it. Never an issue or a break down. It's a bigger machine so is a bit heavier to try and throw around if you need to but that's never been an issue for me. Suzuki powerplant in the 500's and bigger and they're bullet proof.

For hunting the clearance was a big bonus for me. Even if you frequent logging roads as the OP said, inevitably you'll be needing to get into a cut block to retrieve an animal, and that means climbing over LOTS of deadfalls and stumps in the areas I hunt. My AC climbs over stuff I'd never have dreamed of going over, except out of necessity, and rarely gets close to being hung up on clearance.
 
Polaris has a nice machine just bring a spare belt, my father in law is a dealer and thats what he says.

honda really is the way to go if you want to be on the trails
 
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The 650 CA may very well have top end up and above the Grizzly... I was more comparing the bottom end.

Personally, I need them for low-end grunt. I never see the top end where I drive. I have a sled for go-fast adrenaline fixes when required.

Speaking of which....I'm going to require said fix a little later today...:D

The 650 i had did have alot of top end but the power was like that all through the power curve. My cousins grizzly 700 was constantly stuck where we would go cause it could not turn the tires with enough oomph to clean them.
 
I know a guy with a broken 800 Bombi frame. He is old and doesn't ride hard. I didn't buy one because of the frame issue.

I got a Kawi Brute 750 and proceeded to blow up the front diff in 500kms (warranty fixed it), a weakness I knew about before I bought the quad.


The main thing is to research the weaknesses on each brand and model and decide wich ones you are willing to live with. I would rather replace diffs than frames.
 
we have a 06 outlander 400 max xt. Decent machine, enough power to pull the 6 moose its pulled out of the bush over the years. My cousin hooked his 400 foreman on first to the cow moose and it barely had enough power to spin the wheels (not low enough gear) our outlander pulled the bike and moose out at the same time. I personally wont buy one again, no real problems with it, I just like manuel tranny and smaller machines like the old suzuki king quad 250-300.

If I was going to buy new....It would be an Arctic cat 700 efi. Great machine and tons of balls.
 
Should I just say the heck with it and look for an old Suzuki mini jeep and put lifts on it and add a winch?

No. Because jeeps suck. But getting a stock samurai, putting front and rear lockers in it, a winch, and some 30" mud tires would be a good idea. We use a built for real wheelin Sami for hunting and it's awesome. Anyone who tells you that it won't fit down quad trails is, quite simply, wrong. A Sami will go all the places a quad will and do it with a heater and a mildly water proof roof.
 
Can Am is way ahead in drive train and suspension.

Speaking in terms of the 800 Outlander:

-The engine braking is excellent and makes very steep descents quite easy.
-The suspension soaks up really bad terrain very nicely and the handling is very good once you get used to the initial lean-in associated with the independent suspension.
-It is king in useable power as well. The other 'big boys' can't keep up. Not even close.
-Low range gives lots of versatility.
-The selectable 4 wheel drive is nice. You can disengage it or engage it as the situation demands
-The visco-lock which locks up the front axle is great in mud as it engages seamlessly and you don't lose momentum or concentration fiddling with a switch. In crawling situations a selectable front lock would be nicer but the visco works fine once you learn not to back out of the throttle but keep 'er spinning and let it engage. Once it engages it is a truly locked front axel. It would be nice to have the visco lock with a manual selection option as well. Many people don't understand how it works and fail to take advantage of it. It's a case of the machine being smarter than the driver. The mention of 'CanAm AWD ugh!' above is uninformed, it's selectable and with locked rear axle and lockable front axle, simple as that.
I think Honda still doesn't offer a locking front axle. This is ridiculous if still the case.
-The fuel injection is a pleasure. Starts instantly, every time, every temperature.

I run mine very hard and have had very few problems with it. Mine is an 06 so it wasn't made in Mex. My buddy has a new 08 Renegade it has been great so far. My wife's '08 800 Outlander has been perfect so far. I don't think the Mexico issue is an issue at all.

It's a versatile machine that can work or play, if you like to go fast nobody on a utility quad can catch you.

For general farting around, all of the main brands are fairly good these days (excluding the China crap), but the ride quality and handling varies a lot from model to model. I can tell you that the Can Am 400 is a good machine but the 800 is a joy to run.

Can Am (note that all wheels are spinning):

you just listed everything that a grizz 700 can do;), except for the visco lock if im understanding it correctly. grizz has the best engine braking hands down and also makes all 4 wheels spin like that...

on my 700 i have the pod that allows me to change the fuel mapping...more or less hp with a few buttons and 30 seconds. that coupled with a k&n filter and HMF exhaust and i beat all other comparable quads (size and SAME TIRES, which nobody takes into account for some reason) in the mud and on the roads. its light weight (600lbs dry, lightest 700 quad out there?) makes it super easy to maneuver on the tight trails.
 
Two hunting seasons ago we were out with two quads, and left them at camp for an hour while we went off to pick up a deer that was down with the truck as it was close to a road and quads weren't needed. One was a Kawasaki and the other a Can Am.
We got back we found that the Kawi had been stolen, but the Can Am was still there.
Something to keep in mind is that the Can Ams have an ECM controlled starting system that is harder to steal. From what I'm told all you need to steal the average quad is a thumb tack which the thief pushes through three wires to start the machine without a key and they drive off. Takes about 30 seconds.
My buddy loves his Can Am and the only problem he's had is eating mouthfulls of mud thrown up by the tires because the fenders don't extend out enough to the sides. He put the extensions on and now life is good.
 
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